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John Alighieri
02-02-2011, 12:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYRBk9R1d7o

Jason Hyatt
02-02-2011, 01:02 PM
I love when guys show how you have all these options by just going "here, and here, then or here, here, and here..." while Sloppy McGee isn't even attacking with anything.

Nabil Salameh
02-02-2011, 01:05 PM
He's amazing at boom booming his way out of rubber guard too :)

Bill Keeling
02-02-2011, 01:11 PM
That is sweet! Ken doesn't like me anymore since I called his bluff on facebook. He befriended me :( How will I ever live? He didn't like the truth, same as many others... Can't we all get a bong? LoL!

Nate Hollyfield
02-02-2011, 01:12 PM
HAHA... I love that... just, here, here, here and bam... I would like to make some videos making fun of these...

chronic_jiujitsu
02-02-2011, 01:58 PM
and if none of these methods work.. you can always pull out your magic flute and call for assistance from the battle elves.

Brandon Palmer
02-02-2011, 02:07 PM
I wouldn't let this guy clean my gutters.

A disgrace.

derrick ikwueme
02-02-2011, 02:32 PM
his 1st option would do nothing to damage your leg, his 2nd exposes himself to a possible knee bar, & an easy mount!

Brian Hoback
02-02-2011, 02:33 PM
well explained and well executed

A+ technique video!

Brandon Mccaghren
02-02-2011, 03:05 PM
my thoughts: primola is a black belt. he definitely didn't get there by accident. lots of time in the art, and he most likely has a great skill set.

that having been said, i'm not sure what he is trying to achieve with a lot of his videos. he appears to be trying to sell products and/or websites. but the attention to quality in most of his videos (production, instruction, preparation, etc...) doesn't seem to indicate that he wants to sell a lot of them.

this video in particular has a few good ideas (the armbar, using the free leg to fight his grip, etc...), but he doesn't take the time to flesh them out. also, his partner is using some pretty suspect grips/control on the free leg. and the calf crush battle that he advocates with his first defense doesn't seem to be a battle i would ever want to fight. he figure-4's his own leg and basically adds crushing power against his own calf.

i'm really in no place to criticize a black belt, so take what i say with a grain of salt.

ken, if you ever stumble onto this post by accident, take what i have to say as constructive criticism. i'm sure you have great stuff, and you clearly want to share that. i just feel like better preparation of what you are going to be filming would be very helpful in the presentation and would help us to digest it better.

John Alighieri
02-02-2011, 03:39 PM
What I don't like is that he didn't take the time to really look into the truck and the calf crank. The way Eddie has been teaching the calf crank was/is to push on the heel with your free leg not to triangle your legs which would obviously keep you away from being calf cranked. Not to mention how shitty the guy is controlling Primola's legs in the first place.
I got nothing against the dude it just annoys me to see sloppy setups being sold has what "the 10th planet guys are doing and that's how you defend it" type of videos

Erik Paulson did the same with the lockdown a while back with the guy on the bottom who had no double unders.

Get the proper setups then come up with something and then I'd be fine with whatever they have to offer that's all :)

bobby rivers
02-02-2011, 08:30 PM
I also have indigestion Brandon.

The best guys at defending the truck are at fuckin hq and affiliates. Period.

Jesse_Fairburn
02-02-2011, 08:39 PM
I also have indigestion Brandon.

The best guys at defending the truck are at fuckin hq and affiliates. Period.

hey now, lets not forget about chuck norris

Jonathan Wylie
02-03-2011, 02:53 AM
I love to see a match with Primola and Scott Epstein.

John Roderick
02-03-2011, 05:48 AM
It seems every Black Belt in BJJ and every submission wrestler is spending WAY too much time perfecting their counters to 10th Planet rather than honing their individual skills. We can take this with a grain of salt: like anyone who only takes a cursory look at something (music, martial arts, for example) and don't really dedicate themselves to truly learning it, they lack fundamental understanding. Obviously, our people and style concern people, or there wouldn't be some many trying to develop counters. And yes, a lot is suspect when the partner or technique from 10th Planet isn't being executed correctly. No different from Josh Barnett (a great grappler) doing his "snapping the rubber guard" when his uke is doing about 2% of what the rubber guard is. Again, face value stuff. Take it with a grain of salt.

Brandon Palmer
02-03-2011, 07:21 AM
hey now, lets not forget about chuck norris

Chuck Norris doesn't get indigestion.

What??? Where am I???

Aab
02-03-2011, 07:55 AM
At 30 seconds i think where dude grabs the guy in the trucks foot and sort of turns it against him....hey that works. The guys at my gym use that shit on me when i first started pulling them in the truck. they pulled down on my foot while i was calf cranking them and it was alot of pressure on my foot. However i started changing my calf crank to the version where you pull down on dudes foot and take your other foot and push up against your on foot so dude can't grab it. Damn i have horrible grammar.

Bill Keeling
02-03-2011, 08:45 AM
FRAT warning

Don, I am glad you figured out the correct way to perform the tech! As for Ken he harrassed me a good part of the day yesterday...
He put up a post saying that Nick Diaz had won 15 of his last 16 fights and avenged the one loss, so you have to give him the props he deserves. Then someone posts, Hey, I thought you were against weed smokers like Nick and eddie. To which he replied, Nick doesn't promote it like Eddie does, and he is in better shape than most people who don't smoke. Then another guy posts, The martial arts community would shit a brick shithouse if they knew how many of the top guys blaze. That's when I saw the posts and added; "Yes they would. I would think it safe to say about 95% of the top fighters in MMA and BJJ." Then Ken started spouting, Frankie Edgar-no, GSP- no, maybe once in a while, not a regular user, Anderson- same as GSP. Then I told him we weren't here to name names and throw people under the bus, but it was personal knowledge and not a guess ;) He then informed me he didn't like me and defriended me so as to end the debate. Then I see this posting, laugh and left some constructive criticism, telling him his videos make him look bad (white belt) and he should actually open his mind and learn the system before trying to dismantle it. He asked me what I had done in my community??? He is a BB under Phil Miglareis. And what had I won, He is a Pan Am Champ!!! What did he do wrong, cause he did it the exact way he had seen Eddie and Ari Bolden doing it. What am I doing wrong? To which I responded, Phil Is a hellu guy, and I know your a BB so I know you understand you can't learn from video the same as learning it from the instructor. Stop attacking Eddie and actually learn the system! There are only a handfull of traditional GJJ guys that still try to give us a hard time and not admit we have a very dangerous style. Then he PMed me and started being a little BITCH! Telling me I posted his full name on a public forum and that's why he backed down from Kevin.... LMMFAO!!! Really? He says "how would you like it if I put your families business out there by posting your full name?" I am an Attorney and when people look up my name that is what they would see so I had to back down. I told him he posted that shit on Facebook...Under his full name. It's hard to get a more public forum than Facebook. I laughed and asked him if he still wanted to fight Kevin and he claimed he offered for Kevin to come up to his school but Kevin never showed, so that was that. Then he says how about you and I? I immediatly responded with ANYTIME! Unified MMA rules, nuetral gym. It will be taped and posted. Careful what you wish for ;) Nick and I will be at the Arnolds on March 4, I can set up a public fight there if that works for you. He has some issues, cause I got no reply. He was trying to act like a thug, but just came off as immature. Trying to type all hard and shit LOL LOLOLOLOLOL At least it made me smile :)
Haters and wannabees..... World is full of them.

Bill Keeling
02-03-2011, 08:50 AM
^BTW if you look above my avatar, you see my full name, same as on facebook. Fucking weak minded gimp! IMHO! A lil CYA for the attorney ;)

Andy Rigg
02-03-2011, 10:07 AM
i used to be subscribed to this guy on youtube. but then i saw his anti-rg vid and saw enough. don't get me wrong, if someone's posting decent material, i'm grateful. but his defence against new-york and chill dog is to twist away, passing through jiu-claw; i mean, really....

Jonathan Wylie
02-03-2011, 10:42 AM
Bill im confused are you an attorney or is Ken? Are you connected to Nick Diaz some how? Just curious.

Jared Gammel
02-03-2011, 11:38 AM
Maybe you're just really well informed, but that's a pretty large assumption to say that 95% of the top MMA and BJJ guys in the world are getting high? I mean you really don't know what you're talking about right?

Chris Herzog
02-03-2011, 11:54 AM
Maybe you're just really well informed, but that's a pretty large assumption to say that 95% of the top MMA and BJJ guys in the world are getting high? I mean you really don't know what you're talking about right?

There is a VERY large number of high level BJJ and MMA guys that enjoy their weed.

Josh Passini
02-03-2011, 12:01 PM
I have been hitting the wheelchair a lot when guys are defending calf crank, crotch rippers, banana spilts. And in terms of weed some people drink at the end of the day and some people blaze. Option 2 in my opinion is the safer option. It 2011 whats the big deal seriously.

Bill Keeling
02-03-2011, 12:10 PM
What I don't like is that he didn't take the time to really look into the truck and the calf crank. The way Eddie has been teaching the calf crank was/is to push on the heel with your free leg not to triangle your legs which would obviously keep you away from being calf cranked. Not to mention how shitty the guy is controlling Primola's legs in the first place.
I got nothing against the dude it just annoys me to see sloppy setups being sold has what "the 10th planet guys are doing and that's how you defend it" type of videos

Erik Paulson did the same with the lockdown a while back with the guy on the bottom who had no double unders.

Get the proper setups then come up with something and then I'd be fine with whatever they have to offer that's all :)

I agree 1000%

Bill Keeling
02-03-2011, 12:11 PM
Bill im confused are you an attorney or is Ken? Are you connected to Nick Diaz some how? Just curious.

No not connected, just friends.

Mike Dewitt Jr
02-03-2011, 12:14 PM
I like how at :50 all of a sudden his students are talking way louder than he is and I cant hear him, good job.

Bill Keeling
02-03-2011, 12:22 PM
Maybe you're just really well informed, but that's a pretty large assumption to say that 95% of the top MMA and BJJ guys in the world are getting high? I mean you really don't know what you're talking about right?

Jared I know enough to write a best seller ;) But I would never break anyones trust in me. But what I can say is I know current and former UFC and StrikeForce Champions that do. I travel the world to train with the best. And this was a surprising side bit of knowledge learned. I personally don't think it's a big deal. But at the same time, I know it would unfortunately destroy some people to learn their idol smoked kind... That is what I find sad. Does it change who they are, or their accomplishments? No. Get my point? But as we witnessed with Micheal Phelps, it doesn't matter what you have done/accomplished or if your the best in the world and in history for that matter. They will demonize you the same as they did him...

Jared Gammel
02-03-2011, 12:59 PM
I agree with you. I'm totally pro weed. My ears just always perk up when people throw out things like "95%" this and that.
I would just avoid that kind of jargon in the name of accuracy- You can just as easily say you associate with a large number of professionals fighters who smoke and avoid the sweeping assumption. Just my .02.

James Davis
02-03-2011, 01:11 PM
I will just say from a total noob perspective and a guy that looked a loooooong time before picking a spot to train. 10th Planet guys are the rockstars of BJJ right now. BJJ has become cool and no-gi systems are cool with the kids. There's no 100 buck gi to start with, the techniques have cool names, joe rogan promotes it....eddie is a cool guy and appears totally approachable. I would say the system is only 2nd to Gracie's.

People see this and hear their students talking about rubber guard or buying some 10th planet vids and so their ego gets in the way. What I love about my spot is all of the coaches have different thoughts on certain situations and show you the pluses and minuses...you know...like people who want to expand the art and not go on ego.

Bill Keeling
02-03-2011, 01:13 PM
I can agree, as I don't know 100% of the top ten. But that would be my figure. I may be off, but not by much. Which is what I thought to be kind of crazy. All these elite athletes, had one thing in common. While some definately do not. The last time I trained with Sots he did not, as I'm sure there are others. But they seem to be the exception, not the standard. This is just an observation, nothing more. I believe each to their own, as long as they are not harming anyone. I have known this in the professional business world, but I was actually very surprised to learn of this in the professional athletic world.