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Steve Schumer
02-04-2011, 02:36 PM
I was rolling earlier today and as soon as I got to New York the guy I was rolling with clasped his hands behind my back (at my lower back) buried his head into my sternum and just sat there. When I tried to clear the neck I couldn't get my elbow under his chin to start the move to the gogo. We were both kinda stuck there, I was waiting for him to move and he knew if he released his grasp I would continue the progression. I need help with this because I have a feeling everyone is gonna be shutting down my rubber guard this way. Thanks in advance

Cookie Monster
02-04-2011, 02:52 PM
hes got super control of your hips

you can shut down ALOT of guard work with hip stalling

if hes not going to let go(and i had this problem recently and only fixed it thinking about it in my room lol)
you can throw in your butterfly hook and put a foot on the other one and try to sweep him

you could maybe try a ninja choke or a guillotine

you could attemp to shrimp out on one side and maybe work a kimura

hip bump sweeps work pretty great!

either way its him that has to pass your in the better position(i think)

Cookie Monster
02-04-2011, 02:53 PM
and if hes not sitting back on his heels you can flatten him out with ease
by hooking the top part of your feet on the top part of his ankles
.i dont know what this move is called but it will work on a 300 lbs dude too

Cookie Monster
02-04-2011, 02:59 PM
and dont forget to really drive that forearm/elbow into his collar bone
it prevents him from freeing up his shoulders and always squeeze (i say this but i always fuck up too LMAO)

especially when i get to new york ...its like harold and kumar getting to white castle LOL
its that epic for me!

derrick ikwueme
02-04-2011, 03:08 PM
fake Kimura, too Choke, too Omoplata, or real Kimura,

Cookie Monster
02-04-2011, 03:16 PM
fake kimura, too choke, too omoplata, or real kimura,

awesome!

Steve Schumer
02-04-2011, 03:21 PM
thanks for the great ideas guys. If anyone has any other ideas I would like as many options as possible

DENNY PROKOPOS
02-04-2011, 03:25 PM
I was rolling earlier today and as soon as I got to New York the guy I was rolling with clasped his hands behind my back (at my lower back) buried his head into my sternum and just sat there. When I tried to clear the neck I couldn't get my elbow under his chin to start the move to the gogo. We were both kinda stuck there, I was waiting for him to move and he knew if he released his grasp I would continue the progression. I need help with this because I have a feeling everyone is gonna be shutting down my rubber guard this way. Thanks in advance

Just to be clear your stuck in ny.
Options
1. You can go to rescue Dawg and try and open up the other side.
2. Control the head get an over hook and start working all the pyramid options
3. Again control the head secure an over hook, probably escape you hip depending on the angle. Then clear the neck and go for an omoplata or go straight to chill Dawg
4. You can also go to NY crack head control by crossing your legs and then try to clear the neck.


Hopefully this helps. Btw there are just a couple options there are a few more. Always remember that when you get stuck somewhere try and make a move. If it fails then you know that it does not work. If it works you have something new. I think the advice I just gave is way more important than then technique.

Steve Schumer
02-04-2011, 03:27 PM
thanks Denny, I appreciate bro

Josh Passini
02-04-2011, 03:29 PM
Was he stacking you?

Steve Schumer
02-04-2011, 03:31 PM
no, he wasn't stacking at all, he was elbows on knees and hands clasped behind my back

Chris Herzog
02-04-2011, 03:41 PM
I find using Maddog helps in that situation as well, I usually can get enough leverage to pop their grip open, then transition right to Jiu-claw.

Steve Schumer
02-04-2011, 03:45 PM
So chris, just so I'm understanding this right. I need to be at New York when I pop the grip or do I need to be at shill dog? If i'm still at new york when I pop the grip I will in essence lose the hand to the mat. Right? I'm confusing myself

Steve Schumer
02-04-2011, 03:46 PM
I meant Chill Dog, I cant type today

chronic_jiujitsu
02-04-2011, 03:53 PM
have you tried the 100%?

Chris Herzog
02-04-2011, 04:20 PM
So chris, just so I'm understanding this right. I need to be at New York when I pop the grip or do I need to be at shill dog? If i'm still at new york when I pop the grip I will in essence lose the hand to the mat. Right? I'm confusing myself

from Chill dog.

Brent Smith
02-04-2011, 04:24 PM
I was rolling earlier today and as soon as I got to New York the guy I was rolling with clasped his hands behind my back (at my lower back) buried his head into my sternum and just sat there. When I tried to clear the neck I couldn't get my elbow under his chin to start the move to the gogo. We were both kinda stuck there, I was waiting for him to move and he knew if he released his grasp I would continue the progression. I need help with this because I have a feeling everyone is gonna be shutting down my rubber guard this way. Thanks in advance

Honestly if someone is just going to completely keep tight like that its going to be difficult to set anything up. If you dont care for the guy drive you fist into his neck and go for the "gag reflex" or just make him super uncomfortable to force him to move. He basically gifting you a bump sweep too.

AJ Camacho
02-04-2011, 04:51 PM
He basically gifting you a bump sweep too.

I've had that happen before. Dude locked up my hips killing RG, I regressed to an overhook guard but I still couldn't hip out since he was still pinning me. I had to attack the kimura, and a weak attempt at a hip bump which opened him up enough for me to get my left hip out and hit the omoplata from the overhook.

The wrestlers at my gym are really good at this meta game. They pin your hips and then wait for a reckless opening (on your part) to pass. Usually head control before they get set works to keep them grinding for position, leaving an opening, but sometimes I get stuck and have to give a little of an opening to get one.

Lately, the head control has been so effective that I just use it to get up and attack from sprawl control. Head control is very helpful.