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James O'Brien II
02-06-2011, 07:41 PM
I'm sorry if I missed the thread on this topic, and if I did please direct me towards it --

Some may say: How about this for a conspiracy theory? -- But I am aware these things take place. A lot.

I re-nicknamed Jon Jones: "Aquaman" -- Because last night when I was watching the fights with some training partners. And. Something smelt a little fishy.

For starters: Wrestler don't pull (half) guard!

-- Any takers on this topic because I'm too medicated to finish my evidence.

Stephan Pepin
02-06-2011, 08:05 PM
gotta say Bader indeed felt the need to pull half guard no conspiracy Jon Bones Jones is the man. That choke was so fuckin tight! It makes total sense that bader tapped. I would have loved to see the japanese neck tie seeing as how bader had half guard and Jones was going for the darce but the switch to guillotine was awesome. Great finish Jon will beat shogun in little over 6 weeks and become champ. Also I got to say that was a great night for fight fans!

derrick ikwueme
02-06-2011, 08:29 PM
I'm sorry if I missed the thread on this topic, and if I did please direct me towards it --

Some may say: How about this for a conspiracy theory? -- But I am aware these things take place. A lot.

I re-nicknamed Jon Jones: "Aquaman" -- Because last night when I was watching the fights with some training partners. And. Something smelt a little fishy.

For starters: Wrestler don't pull (half) guard!

-- Any takers on this topic because I'm too medicated to finish my evidence.

Bader had no choice but to hang on to half guard or face Jones wicked side control, '' Are You Mixing Crack With Your Weed '' ??

Danny Stolfi
02-06-2011, 09:41 PM
Bader couldnt get in range to shoot or set up his hands, he had no choice. No conspiracy, just his last resort imo...maybe he heard Eddie Bravo's "3rd Option" rant.

AJ Camacho
02-06-2011, 09:44 PM
I thought the fight was weird too but nothing that fishy. Every mistake Bader made seemed to be jiujitsu mistakes, which was bizarre for a wrestler. What ever happened to just magically popping to your knees when shit gets bad?

James O'Brien II
02-06-2011, 11:19 PM
Bader had no choice but to hang on to half guard or face Jones wicked side control, '' Are You Mixing Crack With Your Weed '' ??

Haha, it sounds like I am. Doesn't it. But I'm not :-|

On topic:

I feel Bader is a better fighter than he showed. (I always thought highly of Aquaman) Bader is an elite level wrestler with improved striking who wasn't landing strikes or taking Jones down (not surprised at that). But when Bader fell to his back (on purpose) then was roughed up. Come round 2 you would think he would have a better strategy than to purposely pull half guard again on Aquaman. -- That's my beef. -- Oh. And that he was subbed from half guard just makes me laugh, because if you're pulling half guard, you should be Eddie Bravo Confident™ in that position!

Oh, and the whole Rashaad pulling out so Jones could fight for the title.
But I guess I would rather see Jones vs. Shogun anyways. I hope it's not rigged (:D

PS: I think Aquaman is the real deal, but I that doesn't take away this strong odor.

Ed Cunanan
02-07-2011, 02:08 AM
Why do you keep referring to jones as aquaman? Is it a justice league reference? If it is, i think the character you're looking for is the martian manhunter.

Comic books aside, that guillotine was sick.

Nat Cummings
02-07-2011, 02:19 AM
[QUOTE=James O'Brien II;40475]I re-nicknamed Jon Jones: "Aquaman" -- Because last night when I was watching the fights with some training partners. And. Something smelt a little fishy.

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but yeah that guillotine was sick :P

Thomas Ireland
02-07-2011, 04:15 AM
Bader did a lot better than I thought he would honestly, he was able to get to his feet in the 1st and didn't really take any damage. I think Bader was overrated going in, he struggled with lil Nog while no one has touched Jones. I was expecting to see Bader go flying through the air like everyone else, but he did well in the clinch. Jones is just too athletic. Bader seems more like a Koscheck-esk fighter; in the 80th percentile, but probably wont ever get a title shot.

Harry Evans
02-07-2011, 03:12 PM
I can not verify this, because I was not there. However, a friend from Reno who trains on and off with Bader said that about 10 days before the fight, Bader really badly hurt his neck, and couldn't even turn it to the side. Not taking anything away from Jones, and I think he wins anyway, but maybe that is why he had to pull half-guard. He felt Jones' explosiveness, and the first time his neck got snapped back from a good shot, I'm sure he saw stars from the previous injury alone. Clearly a bad decision, but maybe this will at least make sense of it. Again, though, this is second hand info, so I'm not staking my name on it.

Brent Smith
02-07-2011, 04:04 PM
Is pulling half guard your only reason for a conspiracy theory? Thats the most retarded thing ive heard

Karim Graham
02-07-2011, 04:10 PM
Is pulling half guard your only reason for a conspiracy theory? Thats the most retarded thing ive heard

+1

Jack LaBarge
02-07-2011, 07:54 PM
Is pulling half guard your only reason for a conspiracy theory? Thats the most retarded thing ive heard

+2

James O'Brien II
02-07-2011, 08:15 PM
Why do you keep referring to jones as aquaman? Is it a justice league reference? If it is, i think the character you're looking for is the martian manhunter.

Comic books aside, that guillotine was sick.

Haha, yes. A Justice League reference. And Aquaman -- Because I thought it was a little fishy.

Harry Evans -- That could be possible. Maybe I respected Bader's wrestling too much.

I guess I'm glad Rashaad gave his title shot to Jon Jones. (Can't wait)

Sick Guillotine (agreed)

Thanks you everyone for entertaining my thoughts(:

James O'Brien II
02-07-2011, 09:51 PM
Is pulling half guard your only reason for a conspiracy theory? Thats the most retarded thing ive heard

Haha, you must live in a smart neighborhood then. -- And no, that's just a red flag. He flopped on more than one occasion. He looked flat (rumored injury could be a cause, as stated earlier in this thread) Combined with the the whole training partner pulling out of a fight due to a phantom injury which landed Jones the title shot.
If Dana would rig any match, it would be a Jon Jones fight (that is just a side statement)

I assume those commenting watched the fight? More than once?

Why do people act like this doesn't happen? EliteXC got questioned over shit like this, did they not?
Idk, it's whatever to me. I'm out on this thread. Some people still believe the OBL was behind 9/11 -- It's more realistic to me a promoter would stage a prime time fight.

Nick Robertson
02-08-2011, 12:38 AM
I'd like to think that even if UFC was rigging fights they'd do so intelligently. Jon Jones is dope and a lot of people are getting pretty stoked on him, but he's not a proven draw for the UFC persay. He's never even headlined a PPV. I feel like they'd wait to see how much of a draw he is before rigging his fights. If UFC was rigging fights Brock Lesnar would still be champ.

Freddy Chavez
02-08-2011, 01:13 AM
Yeah. No way they're gonna rig the fight and have more government interference than they already have with the judges. Dan Henderson pulled guard on Anderson Silva. Sometimes a strong wrestler doesn't want to stand, can't take a good enough shot so they pull guard. 3rd Option. Didn't work out obviously. Left his neck exposed to 84 inches of arm. Lets stop the hate.