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Ehsan_Karam
02-07-2011, 05:55 PM
So today while going through the MTRG videos and rolling with a buddy I went to a position I am currently calling the Invisible Pyramid. It's essentially the pyramid(preferred setup right now is grabbing an overhook, pushing off the shoulder, hipping out then establishing the pyramid position) the only difference is that instead of wrist control I'm clearing the neck and going to what would be chill dog were I not in the pyramid. From here I can get a choke much like the invisible collar but It's much easier to finish since I can squeeze in with my knee. Additionally, from there I have triangles, armbars, the stock, and also the basic path. There you have it folks: A great control position, a submission AND a set up for other submissions all in one. Is anyone familiar with this position or did I just make up some new shit?

Enrique "Kiko"
02-07-2011, 06:47 PM
can you post a video tutorial on this and showing all the different progressions from "The Invisible Pyramid" please

Brent Smith
02-07-2011, 07:24 PM
So basically invisible collar with a tight overhook unstead of hugging the knee?

Sean James
02-07-2011, 07:34 PM
only problem i see is, without wrist control, how can you stop him from pushing down your leg and passing, or then rolling out from the "invisible pyramid".

Brent Smith
02-07-2011, 09:32 PM
only problem i see is, without wrist control, how can you stop him from pushing down your leg and passing, or then rolling out from the "invisible pyramid".

Kinda hard to stuff the leg if your feet are crossed

Ehsan_Karam
02-07-2011, 09:53 PM
only problem i see is, without wrist control, how can you stop him from pushing down your leg and passing, or then rolling out from the "invisible pyramid".

Actually we played with that too, the roll feels like you're gonna hurt yourself if you go for it and if you push down on the knee you're wide open for the switch to the stock which is actually my favorite of the progressions from there.

Brent Smith
02-07-2011, 09:55 PM
Nm just reread it..so the feet arent crossed..the invisible part of the name was throwing me off

Ehsan_Karam
02-07-2011, 09:56 PM
So basically invisible collar with a tight overhook unstead of hugging the knee?

Kind of except your ankles aren't crossed your foot is in his hip pushing his base back.
So I guess more like basically a pyramid with chill dog instead of wrist control.

Aab
02-07-2011, 10:56 PM
might as well go ahead and hug the knee if your in chill dog. hugging the knee is harder to escape than just holding that over hook.

Ehsan_Karam
02-07-2011, 11:26 PM
might as well go ahead and hug the knee if your in chill dog. hugging the knee is harder to escape than just holding that over hook.

but you're not in chill dog you're in the pyramid. I don't feel like chill dog is nearly the power position that the pyramid is let alone the invisible pyramid.

Aab
02-07-2011, 11:31 PM
thats what im saying if you have already cleared the neck let go of the over hook and hug the knee. in the pyramid why would you clear the neck if thats not your intention? if you are clearing the neck then you obviously want to get to chill dog or invisible collar and progress the stages of the rubber guard. if you are content with the pyramid you make work triangles and shit. I dunno.

Jay Chow
02-08-2011, 01:41 AM
Don's right, so is whoever said that they can just stuff your foot on the hip easily.

If you cleared the neck, and had an overhook, the guy will just cartwheel around you, it's nowhere near the control of hugging the knee