Steven Seagal, I just cant take you seriously

[Brent Smith]

Seriously I dont know what it is about that guy but he just doesnt seem that legit. I know hes been around for awhile but all I know of him is his movies and hearing about him issuing a challenge and Judo Gene Lebell choking him out cold to where he ended up pissing his pants.
What do you guys think, is he the real deal or is this a publicity stunt for Blackhouse?

[Isaiah Mendoza]

naw he's legit. look he made shit movies. He was probably the corniest actor I have ever seen and everytime I watch his movies I vomit/laugh. But that being said he's been studying martial arts for over 40 years. He's a 7th degree black belt in akido. That means he's been into martial arts MUCH longer than me or you.

Look I get it movie stars would seriously have to put in WORK to ever have a chance competing in mma. Having awesome technique and fancy moves doesen't compensate for lack of cardio and sparring/reaction experience. But that doesen't mean that in his 40 years, he hasn't learned a thing or two about fighting. And I guarantee a lot of those techniques haven't been explored and are totally underutilized in mma.

So if machida's dad, a karate master can teach machida a few nifty techniques, or Joe Rogan, a TKD expert/announcer can show GSP how to throw a KILLER spinning back kick, then why can't Stevan Seagal, a movie star/7th degree akido master, with 40 years experience of perfecting technique, show silva and machida how to throw a sickass front kick?

and ya, seagal is a media whore and probably did get his ass whooped by a Judokan. Let me ask you this though, if you put Rogan in the cage with gene lebell in his prime he'd probably get his ass whooped too. But that doesen't mean he still doesen't know how to throw a killer spinning back kick.

[Jonathan Wylie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70VCO062cUw
"how delusional are you" Bas Rutten

[Jack LaBarge]

Anyone who wear's yellow tinted shooting glasses out to events is not legit! Yes, I know his ranks. He discredits himself with his own retardness! He needs to go work with guy's from WWE!

[Jonathan Wylie]

http://dreamfighters.com/anderson-silva-admits-to

[Jonathan Wylie]

http://www.cagesideseats.com/2011/2/8/1983077/steven-seagal-inventor-of-the-front-kick-and-time-machine

Silva hit Hendo with that kick before this bullshit started with Seagall. I would not be surprised to find out Seagall is clinically retarded.

[Jonathan Wylie]

since when is aikido known for its kicks?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmIuiuaREpk

nearly 10 min of advanced aikido and I did not see one kick. I could be wrong though that little old guy could have been throwing all kinds of kicks under those big ass pants and I might have never seen them.

[Griffin Lambert]

He has trained in martial arts for a long a period of time and there's no telling what other disciplines he's trained in or his instructors had trained in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtthnZ1s9O8 I don't know how effective it is since I've never trained Akido but it sure does look cool.

[Cole]

i don't like him. i think he's a doucher that is trying to get back into the spotlight with anderson and lyoto. seriously..taking credit for the front kick??? plus he's so goddam smug

[Jonathan Wylie]

http://www.stevenseagal.com/home.html
Doesn't say anything about any other martial arts rank in his bio and as full of this guy is of him self Im sure he would list it. I have never seen video or heard about him doing anything other than aikido.

[AndyK5]

+1 on Gene Lebell, That dude would still fuck many of us up. He mangeled me a bit in the past in some occasions...

[Mario Lopez Alvarez]

I read that he does have black belts in other striking martial arts. Wikipedia him and I'm sure it'll say which ones. I sure wouldn't want to piss off a Segal in his prime, that's for sure.

Don't know why he got so fat though. lol

[AndyK5]

Joke all you want about Segal, I make fun of his fat ass also, HOWEVER, there is one undeniable fact that the dude trained for many many years. To reach 7th dan Black Belt in Aikido also takes as much time and effort to get a black belt with some stripes in Jiu jitsu. I am also pretty sure that he could easily joint lock most of the people in this forum in to submission. Although his art is not the main stream and the most effective for MMA, it is still a martial art and if we are going to call ourselves martial artist, we need start with showing respect to other, more experienced and senior martial artists.

[Brent Smith]

Not sure why id have to respect him just because he stuck with it.

[AndyK5]

Not sure why id have to respect him just because he stuck with it.

You don't have to respect anybody man, being a martial artist is a life style and it involves many aspects that were not decided by me or just some other person. It came down from generation to generation and there are widely accepted ways of practicing martial arts and also living like one. Refusing to fight on the streets, protecting the weak, respect, staying away from lying etc.. are all part of it. Example, Brock Lesnar or Chael Sonnen will never be true martial artists no matter how good they get at what they do. Again I am not saying you are not a martial artist because you do not respect Steven "Call me Sensei" Segal, it is just why I think the guy deserves some respect.

[petenguyen]

I liked under siege

[Isaiah Mendoza]

http://dreamfighters.com/anderson-silva-admits-to

in the article it said steven seagal helped him perfect the kick. It's totally obvious that the kick is known to other martial artists. Everyone knows that. Me and my friends were throwing that kick back in the days when we were backyard boxing. But Silva said in the article that Seagal helped him improve the kick. That means a lot, and it came out of Silva's mouth not Seagals.

There are different ways to throw a front kick, just like anything else, and tiny details make a big difference in striking, just like jui jitsu. http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/322761/Machida-Seagal-taught-me-that-kick/.

It's important not to discredit someone as not having something to say just because they are not in the mainstream. As 10th planet practitioners, we of all people should know this. If we ignore someone just because they are a movie star or have never been in an mma fight we are hindering our development as fighters. Be it Eddie Bravo, Steven Seagal, or Joe Rogan, it's important to listen, because that's how we learn and become better.

[keith stewart]

steven segals a wife beating fake ass.-he makes me laugh though so whatever. :-P

[Aab]

Just because someone has been into Martial Arts a long ass time doesn't mean they know stuff about the sport of MMA. SS has never fought a MMA match. I wouldn't rely on someone to help me play chess by asking a checker player. Poor ass analogy but fuck isn't answering the door in your underwear awesome when a group of local church goers knock and knock and knock?

[Andy Lopez]

His skills are legit. Yes he is a media whore. Hes training top fighters with success. He can probably kick all our asses. Expect to see him at more mma events. Hating on him doesn't change a thing.

[Danny Stolfi]

Some guys at my gym believe its an ongoing joke by the Brazilians, giving him credit that is.

[Edward Scone]

IMO, Aikido with gloves on just won't work for the most part, and probably won't work in a street fight unless you are incredible fast and good at it. I think of Aikido as more of a spiritual art which deals with the violence in your mind.

For him as a spirtual or mma intructor, he seems full of it but I've never met the man.

[Jonathan Wylie]

Wikipedia is not a reliable source, Show me video of Seagal doing something other than aikido. Show me video of Seagal throwing a kick above his waist, I'll bet he can't do it. Aikido is a joke. Anderson Silva landed that kick against Dan Henderson with the same precision and accuracy. He was being modest and respectful by saying he helped him with the kick. You guys have been trolled by Silva and Machida. I don't give a shit how many years he spent learning that choreographed dancing, that doesn't automatically earn my respect. The guy has been shown to be a tool over and over again. Hes been known to flat out lie about his past.

[Jonathan Wylie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-a_-g-6kvk&feature=player_embedded

[Jonathan Wylie]

http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/12/steven-seagal-sexual-assault-lawsuit-executive-assistant-kayden-nguyen/

[Jonathan Wylie]

This is a quote from an interview with the LA times
http://intrawebnet.com/stevenseagal/steven-seagal-claims-hes-done-covert-ops-for-the-cia/

[Griffin Lambert]

Aikido is a joke.

Have you trained it? It seems like you just watched some youtube and wrote it off. It's that same attitude so many have about 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu. They see someone fuck up rubber guard in mma and rather than train it and attempt to understand it they just say it doesn't work. I've never trained Aikido but I'm sure they're effective techniques with it. Aikido has been around longer than anyone on this forums been alive so I'm sure theres something to learn from it.

[Jonathan Wylie]

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/scams/steven_seagal/index.html
Be educated and enjoy.

[Jonathan Wylie]

Just because its been around a long time doesn't make it good just old. What part of aikido do you think is effective the only reasonable argument I have heard is wrist locks, ok you bend someones wrist and it huts and you can break it we get it we can move on now. Show me one effective aikido path to a wrist lock.

[Jonathan Wylie]

In order to isolate some ones wrist you have to control their entire body in order to do that you have to be on the ground I have not seen any aikido ground techniques. But who knows maybe one of those scenarios where you start on your knees and your opponent is standing will work. If all else fells you could suck his dick and maybe get out of the ass whipping that way.

[James III]

Maybe someone could confirm this but I could almost swear that I heard once that Seagal said at a party in the early 90's that he could beat up Jean claude Van damm. However when he responded said ok then let's do it Seagal then backed down and refused to fight him????

If this actually happened that's reason enough for me not to respect a guy like that.

[LeeCunningham]

In order to isolate some ones wrist you have to control their entire body in order to do that you have to be on the ground...Not necessarily. While I am not speaking for Aikido, (as I haven't really studied it much), there are plenty of joint locks that are plenty effective while standing. That being said, however, most of the standing joint locks are impractical and aren't practiced properly to begin with.

[Jonathan Wylie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymA5vA4ppbM
im looking for the audio where Stalone confirms it.

[AndyK5]

Just because someone has been into Martial Arts a long ass time doesn't mean they know stuff about the sport of MMA. SS has never fought a MMA match. I wouldn't rely on someone to help me play chess by asking a checker player. Poor ass analogy but fuck isn't answering the door in your underwear awesome when a group of local church goers knock and knock and knock?
Greg Jackson is 0-0 and 0 also as far as I know.

[Jonathan Wylie]

http://strikingthoughts.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/jean-claude-van-damme-vs-steven-seagal/
the video was taken down but you can read the quotes.

[Jonathan Wylie]

"But I remember once, at my home in Miami, I believe it was in ’96 or’97, Van Damme was there with Seagal, Willis, Schwarzenegger, Shaquille O’Neal, Don Johnson and Madonna… it was a heck of a party. Van Damme was tired of Seagal saying he could kick his ass and went right up to him and offered him the chance to step outside so he could wipe the floor with him, or should I say wipe the backyard with him. Seagal made some excuse and left. His destination was some Ocean Drive nightclub in Miami. Van Damme, who was completely berserk, tracked him down and again offered him a fight, and again Seagal pulled a Houdini. Who would win? I have to say I believe Van Damme was just too strong and Seagal wanted no part of it. That’s just my opinion." Stalone

[Enrique "Kiko"]

But I remember once, at my home in Miami, I believe it was in ’96 or’97, Van Damme was there with Seagal, Willis, Schwarzenegger, Shaquille O’Neal, Don Johnson and Madonna… it was a heck of a party. Van Damme was tired of Seagal saying he could kick his ass and went right up to him and offered him the chance to step outside so he could wipe the floor with him, or should I say wipe the backyard with him. Seagal made some excuse and left. His destination was some Ocean Drive nightclub in Miami. Van Damme, who was completely berserk, tracked him down and again offered him a fight, and again Seagal pulled a Houdini. Who would win? I have to say I believe Van Damme was just too strong and Seagal wanted no part of it. That’s just my opinion.

Sounded like it was a fun party

[Isaiah Mendoza]

Just because its been around a long time doesn't make it good just old. What part of aikido do you think is effective the only reasonable argument I have heard is wrist locks, ok you bend someones wrist and it huts and you can break it we get it we can move on now. Show me one effective aikido path to a wrist lock.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7GfQdB9a8Y


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SivWAcPlzFg

if you limit your yourself because of emotional conviction you are only gonna limit yourself as a martial artist.

[Jonathan Wylie]

Show me one video of Roy Dean taking somebody down with a wrist lock in competition. I already conceded wrist locks would be effective in a ground fighting situation. Show me one aikido technique on the ground not a bjj black belt implementing wrist locks on the ground. Im not a martial artist my interests are in combat science.

[Isaiah Mendoza]

call it whatever you want. either way you're restricting your own learning. roy dean wouldn't teach it unless he thought it was effective. those wrist locks on the ground are based on standing akido wrist locks. It's a fusion of bjj and akido. Theres nothing wrong with mixing techniques and making them combat applicable. That's what mma is.

remember how people said tkd is completely useless until people starting throwing meanass spinning back kicks in mma? There ARE techniques that can be used. What's important is that you recognize that and don't throw away the entire martial art as a joke when there are useful elements. It's important not to do that with people too.

[AndyK5]

There are a lot of joint locks for self defense that are taught in BJJ schools which are based on aikido. Reputable BJJ schools will not color belt you unless you are proficient with some street viable self defense techniques and alot of them are forearm and wrist manipulations.

[James Davis]

well, BJJ is all about joint manipulation is the biggest part of the art...I don't think you could say a joint lock is based on aikido. I would very much like to see some aikido sparring that is not using 100% compliant opponents.

[Enrique "Kiko"]

well, BJJ is all about joint manipulation is the biggest part of the art...I don't think you could say a joint lock is based on aikido. I would very much like to see some aikido sparring that is not using 100% compliant opponents.

+1

I'd like to see it used vs a half decent boxer or wrestler even.

[petenguyen]

Aikido is a joke.

I thought people gravitated towards 10th planet forums because they're more open-minded.

[Isaiah Mendoza]

well, BJJ is all about joint manipulation is the biggest part of the art...I don't think you could say a joint lock is based on aikido. I would very much like to see some aikido sparring that is not using 100% compliant opponents.

akido wrist locks are used in bjj comps all the time. the video I gave ARE joint locks based on akido. Like Andy said, many akido wrist locks are a part of BJJ. Of all the BJJ practitioners in the world there's not a doubt in my mind that one of them has used a wrist lock based on an akido technique in compitition.

[Jonathan Wylie]

I thought people gravitated towards 10th planet forums because they're more open-minded.

Nope, people gravitate towards the 10th planet forums because they like the 10th planet system.
What a silly conclusion on your part.

[Jonathan Wylie]

There are a lot of joint locks for self defense that are taught in BJJ schools which are based on aikido. Reputable BJJ schools will not color belt you unless you are proficient with some street viable self defense techniques and alot of them are forearm and wrist manipulations.


akido wrist locks are used in bjj comps all the time. the video I gave ARE joint locks based on akido. Like Andy said, many akido wrist locks are a part of BJJ. Of all the BJJ practitioners in the world there's not a doubt in my mind that one of them has used a wrist lock based on an akido technique in compitition.


What do you know! a Roy Dean blue belt test and not even one wrist lock! even from Roy Dean himself!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-wuuL7mEHM&feature=relmfu

[Jonathan Wylie]

and look here, a Roy Dean purple belt test and still no wrist locks or anything resembling aikido. I know I know they save the powerful aikido tech for the brown belts right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo5lmQsWT5M&feature=relmfu

[Jonathan Wylie]

look he finally hits a wrist lock in his brown belt test! but only in the live roll not the demo portion of the test. Im sure they would not have given him his brown belt if he would have finished with an arm bar instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8WeGrQOKBs&feature=relmfu
Maybe Eddie can tell us if wrist locks are right up there with double lotus. I bet JJ Machado was like "ya ya Eddie I know you tapped Royler but you have to learn the wrist locks to get your black belt!" and they probably had a 3 hr training session on wrist locks right before he got his black belt.

[Daniel Valdez]

so you acknowledge wrist locks have legitimate submission/braking abilities but than you mock them using someone who really believes in them and has a black belt in two (if not more) martial arts? Don't you think that he wouldn't teach them any more if they didn't work?

Something great about Aikido that people don't normally see in my opinion is there footwork and ability to enter to clinch distance. It is made to look easy but when noticed looking easy is a tribute to the technique.
I've had my squabbles about Aikido, but I have not thought it was useless or not legit at the high levels.

[Jonathan Wylie]

so you acknowledge wrist locks have legitimate submission/braking abilities but than you mock them using someone who really believes in them and has a black belt in two (if not more) martial arts? Don't you think that he wouldn't teach them any more if they didn't work?

Something great about Aikido that people don't normally see in my opinion is there footwork and ability to enter to clinch distance. It is made to look easy but when noticed looking easy is a tribute to the technique.
I've had my squabbles about Aikido, but I have not thought it was useless or not legit at the high levels.

no read a little closer I was mocking the guys who said wrist locks were mandatory in most bjj schools to advance in rank by showing A bjj black belt who advocates them not requiring them in his ranking tests. And yes I conceded from the beginning that wrist locks are a viable submission just not the way I have seen used in aikido. I.E. as take downs

[Daniel Valdez]

cops use them as take downs on the regular. what more do you need?

[Jonathan Wylie]

One of the core principals of aikido is to defend your self with out harming your attacker and on that point I stand by my original statement that aikido is a joke. The founder of aikido was integrating his religious beliefs in to the development of aikido.

[Jonathan Wylie]

cops use them as take downs on the regular. what more do you need?

show me. Three on one?

[Jonathan Wylie]

maybe for control but I doubt as an effective one on one take down. Ive watched my fair share of "Cops" and ive never seen it.

[petenguyen]

we all just got trolled

[Brent Smith]

we all just got trolled

????

[AndyK5]

Jonathan, your mocking is not properly adressed my friend. I did not say you will not be belted unless you know Aikido wrist locks, lets not twist words here. I said you will not be belted in a reputable BJJ school unless you know some self defense. It is a part of the whole Brazilian Jiu jitsu curriculum. Then I said there are moves in that curiculum which rely on joint manupulation which are originated from Aikido.

Also probably except Gracies, there is no such thing as belt testing. Meaning, if somebody is in a "belt testing" enviroment, than his instructors has already decided that he is ready for the next level, and his is going to get that belt at the end of the day no matter what. The guy rolling with lots of people to the brink of exhaustion and trying to demonstrate everything he knows is more of the ceremony than actual testing.

For your information at our school, even during the ceremony, some aspects of self defence is demonstrated by the promoting students.

[James Davis]

maybe we could just adjust the aikido is a joke statement to...

it's a joke if you think it can be used in any type of sport fashion? Heck...I don't know. I guess my thing is that if we put the wraps on and spar...whose going to win? I have never seen aikido performed in anything other than a demo with full compliant participants, even with segal. You see a lot of people flopping on the floor from barely being touched and a lot of clapping. As far as I'm concerned, it's right up there with chi force and pressure points.

[Isaiah Mendoza]

maybe we could just adjust the aikido is a joke statement to...

it's a joke if you think it can be used in any type of sport fashion? Heck...I don't know. I guess my thing is that if we put the wraps on and spar...whose going to win? I have never seen aikido performed in anything other than a demo with full compliant participants, even with segal. You see a lot of people flopping on the floor from barely being touched and a lot of clapping. As far as I'm concerned, it's right up there with chi force and pressure points.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfjFg8rMdW8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIDm1tztgVc&feature=related

akido can be put to use on the ground. If you're argument is "well these locks are only used in BJJ", then that is not true at all. These wristlocks are a fusion of BJJ and akido (and it's also fair to give some credit to JJJ and ninjitsu). Like it or not, akido CAN and HAS been used effectively in a sports environment. I mean where do you think the lock's mechanics came from? No one here is trying to say akido is useful by itself. No martial art is really against a trained fighter. But like it or not there are elements of akido in BJJ.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7GfQdB9a8Y&feature=player_embedded#at=45

look at the wristlock at :38. That's a successful fusion of BJJ and akido. Don't try and tell me no ones ever done this to you. If they haven't, keep rolling, and it'll happen.

[Jonathan Wylie]

"akido can be put to use on the ground. If you're argument is "well these locks are only used in BJJ", then that is not true at all. These wristlocks are a fusion of BJJ and akido (and it's also fair to give some credit to JJJ and ninjitsu). Like it or not, akido CAN and HAS been used effectively in a sports environment. I mean where do you think the lock's mechanics came from? No one here is trying to say akido is useful by itself. No martial art is really against a trained fighter. But like it or not there are elements of akido in BJJ. "
Nothing comes from aikido it was developed in the early 20th century and since bjj was developed around the same time in brazil and aikido in Japan Im pretty sure aikido had no influence on bjj. Morihei Ueshiba developed aikido based on his training in other martial arts like aiki jujutsu. And aikido cant be put use on the ground because there are no ground techniques in aikido. Wrist locks can be put to use on the ground.

[Jonathan Wylie]

Jonathan, your mocking is not properly adressed my friend. I did not say you will not be belted unless you know Aikido wrist locks, lets not twist words here. I said you will not be belted in a reputable BJJ school unless you know some self defense. It is a part of the whole Brazilian Jiu jitsu curriculum. Then I said there are moves in that curiculum which rely on joint manupulation which are originated from Aikido.

Also probably except Gracies, there is no such thing as belt testing. Meaning, if somebody is in a "belt testing" enviroment, than his instructors has already decided that he is ready for the next level, and his is going to get that belt at the end of the day no matter what. The guy rolling with lots of people to the brink of exhaustion and trying to demonstrate everything he knows is more of the ceremony than actual testing.

For your information at our school, even during the ceremony, some aspects of self defence is demonstrated by the promoting students.

Point taken, but isn't self defense a part of most martial arts curriculum? and if you read my previous post you will understand how joint manipulation did not originate from aikido and aikido definitely had no influence on bjj.

[AndyK5]

Point taken, but isn't self defense a part of most martial arts curriculum? and if you read my previous post you will understand how joint manipulation did not originate from aikido and aikido definitely had no influence on bjj.

fair enough