The Hangmen: Using 10th Planet with the Gi

[Ari Bolden]

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The Hangmen SGD -10 (Special Gi Division of 10th Planet) are a small group of dedicated 10th Planet warriors who still brave the gi but yet believe in the techniques of 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu. As such, they toil to adapt the 10th Planet techniques to their game.

Looking for a few good men or women.

On a serious note, I'd like to start a discussion on what you find WORKS with the GI and what does not (friction/holding).

I came up with this name based on a move Eddie showed me a few years ago called the HANGMAN with he explained started his whole high guard and rubber guard development.

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[Nate Musick]

Truth be told, I find it a little easier to work my half guard with a GI, because people get so frustrated with my over and unders that they forget how easy it is for me to make the small transition to collar or sleeve control. I also have a little bit of fun working the Stock with a GI.

[Ron Almeida]

my son uses 10th planet moves with the gi, with great success...

[Brandon Mccaghren]

it's WAY easier to control posture in the gi, i think. if i play rubber guard with my left leg up high, i can grip my opponent's right sleeve or collar and use that to isolate his arm and get "free new yorks" much more easily.

[Jon Helton]

Definitely easier to break an opponent down and keep their posture broken down. Although, the zombie is harder to accomplish I do find most of my other techniques from rubber are better. Much more grip. I still enjoy no gi more, but I dusted off my gi a few weeks ago and I'm enjoying it.

[bobby rivers]

Renato? where you at?

[Clayton]

Yeah Jon! After your FB post I put my gi pants on and worked some rubber guard. I could double bag pretty easy by pistol gripping my ankle cuff. The zombie is harder to get, but like you showed me...I can just invisible crackhead and pump them to get those arms straightened out more. After that, securing that farside armbar comes alot easier with a gi to grab on to.

[Renato Laranja]

Now you can see that 10th planet gonna work better with the Gi. But one day my friend,you gonna see that everythings work better with the Gi. Thats why. Because the Gi is the foundation. Thats Jiu-Jitsu.

[Josh Ritchie]

i love the gi.. it hides my man boobs and huge gut.

[Jon Helton]

Yeah Jon! After your FB post I put my gi pants on and worked some rubber guard. I could double bag pretty easy by pistol gripping my ankle cuff. The zombie is harder to get, but like you showed me...I can just invisible crackhead and pump them to get those arms straightened out more. After that, securing that farside armbar comes alot easier with a gi to grab on to.

Awesome Clayton! Glad to hear invisible crackhead is working for you. I got some new stuff I've been working on to show you when you get back. Satsuma guard!!! You guys don't know about that!

[Jon Helton]

Are you gi guys familiar with the way to play rubber guard in the gi without using your leg? Instead you use the back of your opponents gi?

[bobby rivers]

Nogi improved my gi tons.

[michael craig]

gi does help with your judo throws

[Bill Keeling]

Are you gi guys familiar with the way to play rubber guard in the gi without using your leg? Instead you use the back of your opponents gi?

Are you talking about how Braulio Estima works the gi? (is no Rubber Guard w/o the legs) But I do know what your talking about, the biggest prob with the gi is, you get used to/dependant on grips/moves/tech that may not be there in the "real" situation... (if they don't have on a jacket or a gi) Just my $.02

[Jon Helton]

Not sure if its how Braulio Estima does it. I can't find any vids. I was showed an Alliance instructor. No it's not a way to play rubber, but you have a lot of the same submissions (should have worded it different.) It's almost like having them in invisible collar.

[Bill Keeling]

Yep, that's Braulio's style. For gi "tricks" I like his style, he had some nice no-gi pointers as well. He taught every technique that he used in this years ADCC. But as I have said numerous times, I don't like the idea of training with grips/tech that are dependant on the attire of my opponent :( That is a set up for failure. I had a rough childhood/life (a lot of real fights), so that is what governs my opinion. Just trying to keep it real "For REAL" LoL! I still have and train with a gi sometimes, I just use no-gi grips and under/over hooks. Why, you may wonder? The gi weighs you down, keeps you hotter than without, allows your training partners advantages that you don't have (them being able to grip your gi, thereby being able to slow you down and have greater control than without you wearing the gi) I constantly use our system in the gi with great success!

[AJ Camacho]

Somebody blew out the crotch on my gi pants while pulling a standing ankle lock. So now I have to walk around looking like a sambo guy (gi top no bottoms) whenever we have gi nights.

[Jonathan Wylie]

Somebody blew out the crotch on my gi pants while pulling a standing ankle lock. So now I have to walk around looking like a sambo guy (gi top no bottoms) whenever we have gi nights.

ba hahahahha you lost the best part of the gi

[Chris Herzog]

gi does help with your gi judo throws

Fixed.

[AJ Camacho]

The funnest part of rolling with the gi is trying to hit an uchi mata on a kneeling opponent. So much harder when you have to get the over/under first.

[Neale Hoerle]

I have worn my gi on occassion. Generally when I'm cold in the winter but the leg grip in hi guard is nothing short of amazing. I really dont use collars or grips or sleeves, Being a gi guy from the beginning I truly believe they are 2 different sports so I chose not to mix and match. More power to you guys though... I think its great!

[ifreez]

Thats Jiu-Jitsu.

Hahaha!

[Josh Smith]

I just started training in the gi again after taking sometime away from it and swearing that I would never put one back on... So Ari, im down with the hangman idea!!! Jon, I think i know what you are talking about.. Don't you open the lapel behind the guys neck and stick you heel in there and then cross your other foot on top of that one???

[Ari Bolden]

Yep Josh, that is the hangman technique. I've pulled it off from time to time.

[Neale Hoerle]

AJ -

Hit up www.breakpointfc.com you can buy pants without having to invest in a gi top. I love them! Just don't get Gold weave or heavy weights... You'll sweat out on the mat

[Josh Smith]

Oh snap, I never knew it had a name... Thanks for the info Ari!!!

[Jon Helton]

I just started training in the gi again after taking sometime away from it and swearing that I would never put one back on... So Ari, im down with the hangman idea!!! Jon, I think i know what you are talking about.. Don't you open the lapel behind the guys neck and stick you heel in there and then cross your other foot on top of that one???

That's actually not it Josh. I know what your talking about though. Let me try to see if I can explain it better. Your not opening up the lapel behind their neck. You break your opponent down and then untuck their lapel out from under their belt on their back. Then take the bottom of their lapel and pull it diagonal across their back beside their neck. This will keep their posture broken down. Your hand should be in a chill dog type position, but instead of grabbing your leg, you are grabbing the bottom of their lapel. Hope that makes sense.
I'll make a vid if you guys want. I'm not expert on the technique though, just something I'm playing around with.

[Bill Keeling]

Yes, this is the same control Braulio Estima uses/teaches.

[Brian Beaumont AKA Thor]

I'm still training gi and sleeve chokes from whip up are always money for me

[Clayton]

Sprawl makes a pair of gi pants with their same innovations for fight shorts. Just and FYI.

[Clayton]

Sprawl also makes some gi pants that have the same innovations they use in their shorts.

[Chris Patton]

Ari, Yeah I like the idea of the hangmen, I train at alliance and the jiujitsu there is 90% gi, yet I try to incorporate 10th planet style as much as possible. Jon that would be great if you could make a video on that technique, thanks in advance.

[Byron]

I'm definitely game for the Hangmen idea as well. I've been working on adapting 10pjj stuff to the gi for a while now. Some of it works great, some of it I'm still working on.

[michael craig]

dam..now i have to buy a 10th planet patch for the gi ive had stowed in the closet for 2 months

[Salami]

Awesome idea Ari! I own 10th Planet Portland,but teach Gi for 2 Team Quest locations.Eddies techniques are constantly flowin when my Gi is on!!Just taught a Twister side set up,to a Jacare collar choke today!

[Josh Smith]

That's actually not it Josh. I know what your talking about though. Let me try to see if I can explain it better. Your not opening up the lapel behind their neck. You break your opponent down and then untuck their lapel out from under their belt on their back. Then take the bottom of their lapel and pull it diagonal across their back beside their neck. This will keep their posture broken down. Your hand should be in a chill dog type position, but instead of grabbing your leg, you are grabbing the bottom of their lapel. Hope that makes sense.
I'll make a vid if you guys want. I'm not expert on the technique though, just something I'm playing around with.

Jon, you need to make that video soon, cuz that sounds awesome!!! I've never seen it before or even heard of it... Make a video and email it to me!!!

[michael craig]

he did a gi submission on me last week this sounds like it,,,if it is it was very effective and tight..

[Daniel Patrick]

Would really appreciate it if someone could post a video of this.

[Jon Helton]

I'll try to do a vid this week sometime. Just fyi I'm not a gi guy. It's just something I mess with. ;)

[Ian Endicott]

Just don't use my rash guard as a gi, please. They're expensive, and rip easily when people do that. :mad:

[Donovan]

For me, there's over a 90% submission rate with the "bollinger neck tie". Even when they're ready for it, they can't stop it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ-aeiUb22c&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Josh Smith]

Just don't use my rash guard as a gi, please. They're expensive, and rip easily when people do that. :mad:

Yea, I hate it when people do that... I know that it comes natural but then again so does trying to bench press someone when they're in high mount... That's why we train, we learn to fight against our "natural" instincts and let technique prevail... As Renato would say: "that's Jiu Jitsu"!!!

[michael craig]

bolinger neck tie looks awsome,,!!

[Brian Beaumont AKA Thor]

So is 10th Planet Sweeden on here? I thought they were big on the gi.

[waltsettlemyre]

My instructor is big on the Gi so I'll try to hit up a Gi class once a week or so, but I'll catch lockdown alot and work a lot of half guard stuff to sweep. man that lockdown has become bread and butter for me!

[John Roderick]

Renato, respectfully, please do some research. Gracie/Brazilian Jiu Jitsu comes from Judo learned from a Japanese practitioner. Judo comes from (I think) 9 different Ju Jutsu schools that Jigoro Kano studied and integrated into his own philosophies/training methods. For years, the Kodokan Judoka trained without what we now recognize as the "JudoGi" or "Kimono" worn in BJJ. He developed it for the sport of Judo and to have a uniform for students to practice in. Prior to that, they trained in every day clothing with no special design for the sport. A gi is just a piece of clothing, it doesn't matter what you wear practicing your art. Karatekas, Sambo players, Tae Kwon Do, Muay Thai Boxers, and Judokas ALL call their art what it is regardless of what you're wearing when you use the technique. What, are you going to ask the mugger in Miami Beach to wait a minute while you run to your hotel for your gi and then run back to confront him? No. You're going to do what you have to do regardless. I also find it funny that the hardcore gi players have no problem saying that it's Jiu Jitsu that wins regardless of the technique or what they're wearing, but don't take note when they lose. I respect all, and everyone's opinion, but I really am getting bored with meaningless debates and opinions that aren't fully researched. Ari, I think this is a great idea. I've found gi to be easier with having the grips, but I don't believe the gi makes my no-gi better. Different aspects of the same discipline.

[Ian Endicott]

"Yea, I hate it when people do that... I know that it comes natural but then again so does trying to bench press someone when they're in high mount... That's why we train, we learn to fight against our "natural" instincts and let technique prevail... As Renato would say: "that's Jiu Jitsu"!!!" -Josh Smith


I typically just go limp and stop rolling when I feel someone has latched onto my rashie, and continue immediately when they let it go. Gets the point across without any potential for conflict.

[Eric Schuettenberg]

I find it easier to maintain Twister side control with the gi on

[Harry Evans]

I love gi BJJ, I love TPJJ, and I mix the two...A LOT. Here is a random list of some things I have noticed, off the top of my head. I'm curious to hear what people think, and would love feedback. BTW, many of the problems here I think could be fixed by readjusting/redesigning the moves for a gi and not being attached to "how the video says to do it online" when it is a nogi video. Eddie and everyone else have spent years tweaking everything perfectly for nogi, so don't expect the same thing to be perfect for gi - you gotta use your head!

1/2 Guard:
-It is easier to keep someone flat with grips, so whip-ups are harder to use, especially to sweep (vs recovering guard)
-Grips make a lot of TPJJ moves possible from just a deep-1/2 (or inside 1/2 or whatever you want to call it)

Full guard:
-As noted by others, something similar can be done with the gi, which also has much more rotational force with it
-Grips make it way easier for the guy on top to stay tight and wait for just the right moment to posture hard and slip out
-Gripping the gi in various spots or the belt can really help transition between RG positions, e.g. if you can't get the double-bagger, just grab his belt.
-I have no idea why, but the triangle lockflow series doesnt seem to work nearly as well in a gi. I go for teepees and bolt locks, but I only ever seem to get the regular triangle. I think it is because they can get a grip with the trapped arm?

Twister Side Control:
-Seems to work perfectly, if not better. Because it is more dynamic than regular side control, when the guy rolls out, he really has nowhere to go when you can just grab his gi. Add in lapel chokes even as threats, and guys just give up other positions and subs.

There's a million others, just off the top of my head

[Harry Evans]

I have a question for you gi guys trying to use the lockdown with a gi. Once I get double unders, my neck feels open. I keep it tucked into the guy's chest and all that, but it still seems easy for my opponent to pull a lapel choke, or most especially, an Ezekiel. Nobody has ever successfully Ezekieled me no-gi, but it is my Achilles heal with a gi on. I find I have to give up all of my good positioning to defend it - unders, on my side, something even the guard itself - and even then I get taped by it over 1/2 the time. I go for sweeps, but it's not always there if the guy is big or has strong base. Do you find this problematic as well? How do you deal with it? I highly doubt anyone is getting Ari with an Ezekiel, but how does it get defended when people try?

[Logan Cook]

This is an interesting topic to me because I am getting ready to start training at a gi school in my home town out of convienence but I truly believe that the 10th planet system is the way to go when it comes to submission grappling. I'm glad to see that other people are out there making this work.

[JayPagesJJ]

Ari,

I'm all about the Hangman SGD10! What do we need to do to move forward?

[frank-theman-james]

cagesidemma.com also sells gi bottoms without the tops, 25.00. its where I got mine, they shrink a little, so order big, they are nice with knee padding sewn in.

[frank-theman-james]

thank you john roderick for saying what you said. I had this very debate time and time again. I think that for the sport jj guy, Ari has an awesome idea, and I think that Ari is a great guy, but I believe that the very essence of what we do in 10th planet is to conquer our need for the gi by focusing on the squeeze and use of hooks to accomplish what the gi practitioners utilize the gi for. just last night in class, I was saying that gi practitioners have to rely on the gi to be successful whereas with proper technique and focus on securing our positions, we dont have to rely on the shortcuts offered by the gi. Like I said, I think that Ari's idea is great for guys who train 10th planet but wish to participate in gi sport jj, but lets not lose the very essence of what is 10th planet jj.

[Ari Bolden]

Jay

The man in charge of this is Magnus in Sweden. The hangmen was something I came up with in jest but I have always have played around with gi/10thp stuff. Since Magnus is the black belt in BJJ (and brown under Eddie in 10thP), Eddie made him the General for the hangmen he will decide what direction this will go.

I am more like a sgt in arms ;-)

Frank, thanks for the kind words brother. I appreciate it.

[frank-theman-james]

no problem, Ari. believe it or not, you are the very reason that I even discovered 10th planet, and the direction that my life is going in right now. So without sounding cheesy or gay, I owe you alot. hopefully one day, we can get together and tell you all about it.

[Dennis Martinez]

now you can see that 10th planet gonna work better with the gi. But one day my friend,you gonna see that everythings work better with the gi. Thats why. Because the gi is the foundation. Thats jiu-jitsu.

now thats jiu-jitsu...

[Brent Smith]

The funnest part of rolling with the gi is trying to hit an uchi mata on a kneeling opponent. So much harder when you have to get the over/under first.

I go for the uchi mata when someone gets me in dogfight. Its a lot harder to get a clean throw because you don't have much off balancing technique on your knees. It actually works very well though to stop the dogfight position. I get wrist control on the far arm so they can't post too. Food for thought :)

[Dustin Beck]

My school is both gi and nogi but of course I get shit for never wearing a gi but when I do I use 10th Planet with it and it actually seems way too easy with the gi on. I use the no leg rubber guard but set it up from half to get an easy carni. When I use the stomp I stuff my outside foot into the belt in the back and use that as my butterfly while my stomping foot moves to the outside and sweeps the leg under old school style. Anytime I get to even just mission control there's extra chokes, the x with your pantleg, meathook and feed the lapel to your hand, tons of stuff. Oh shit and from the back using one of your legs to half nelson while you grab the lapel with your hand. None of the guys had seen these before.

[Nate Hollyfield]

I don't believe the gi makes my no-gi better. Different aspects of the same discipline.
This is an OLLLLDDD thread, but I have a constraint of no-gi schools around me, and one thing I hear often from people at the place I train is that gi will tighten up the no-gi.... I have never found it to be true, but is this everyone's opinion? I dont like the gi training, but since its all I have around, I put up with it. But I was mostly curious as to the general consensus on that... will the gi game make no gi better?

[marvell banks]

i agree with renato helio wore gi and thats enough for me jiu jitsu with out a gi is great but on street people were cloths jackets with collars and such so with that i say train both ways gi and no gi never put gi away completely

[Budo_Jake]

My philosophy is that life is short so do what you enjoy.
If you like nogi do that.
If you like the gi than do that.
If you like both (like I do) than do both.

I think some people get turned off in the gi early on because you can't move as freely as you can without the gi. Also there is a lot more to learn so that can be frustrating as well. But if you persevere you might find that the I can be a lot of fun. Not to mention that your training options are much broader if you train both. Im in japan right now and there is no nogi around here at all. At least not in cold months.

[nate1281]

Now you can see that 10th planet gonna work better with the Gi. But one day my friend,you gonna see that everythings work better with the Gi. Thats why. Because the Gi is the foundation. Thats Jiu-Jitsu.

I believe in Renato Laranja.

[leach_jeffrey]

I don't employ the 10th Planet 'system', but I use a lot of the 10th Planet techniques, and I found that they work fine. There are also a lot of gi only submission and sweep opportunities that branch from the 10th Planet techs.

For example, from the lockdown, I use a baseball choke set up from the bottom that perfectly complements the 10th Planet moves, when someone tries to defend the whip-up/electric chair by dropping their hips.

For those not familiar with the baseball choke I'll try to explain:

Imagine I'm locking someone down on my left side, so that their free leg is on my right. They know I want to whip up and they are concerned about the electric chair, so they drop their hips, and base out the leg. It can be difficult to get much going from here.

Untuck their gi on your right side and pass the bottom corner of their lapel over their shoulders and overgrip it with your left hand (over their right shoulder which is on your left side). Then reach up over their left shoulder (your right side), with your right hand and undergrip the lapel. At this point you should have one forearm on each side of their neck. Then you squeeze your elbows together while twisting onto your left side.

Be sure to release the lockdown once you have your hands in place, because you want them to try to pass, it only makes the choke stronger.

This is an extremely tight and quick choke, so you need to pay attention to your partner. This is one of the choke that can make someone go unconscience before they can tap.

HERE IS AN IDEA: Maybe Renato can show some gi only moves that branch from positions that 10th Planet people often find themselves in.

[kyleAkemp]

its crazy to hear alot of people are doing this. A few people and I at the gym have very recently started tying in the gi.

[Preston Bludworth]

Are you talking about how Braulio Estima works the gi? (is no Rubber Guard w/o the legs) But I do know what your talking about, the biggest prob with the gi is, you get used to/dependant on grips/moves/tech that may not be there in the "real" situation... (if they don't have on a jacket or a gi) Just my $.02

Living in Idaho, more than likely if a "real?" fight situation breaks out, the person will be wearing a jacket. It is very cold here about 8 months a year. Jacket=Gi. Gi training is VERY applicable in a street fight.

[rock d]

I think the gi almost forces you to use nothing but sleeve pulling and collar choking. It makes arm triangles and rubber guard more difficult and less fun, specifically because there is sooooooo much fabric to push through and deal with. With the gi I find it pointless to do any submission other than collar chokes.

[Bill Keeling]

Living in Idaho, more than likely if a "real?" fight situation breaks out, the person will be wearing a jacket. It is very cold here about 8 months a year. Jacket=Gi. Gi training is VERY applicable in a street fight.

What do you do at the Beach, or during the summer, or surfing. You get a split sec behind the game, because your natural "grips"aren't there... Behind a split sec in sport JJ or MMA= a loss. In the street= alot worse. My experience, not just $.02.
I am not bashing the Gi, I train both, as I believe everyone should.
BTW, Idaho =8 months of cold weather a year = F ALL THAT SHIATE!! Keep the spirit and KEEP TRAINING HARD!

[Bill Keeling]

I think the gi almost forces you to use nothing but sleeve pulling and collar choking. It makes arm triangles and rubber guard more difficult and less fun, specifically because there is sooooooo much fabric to push through and deal with. With the gi I find it pointless to do any submission other than collar chokes.

Nonesense! I roll in the Gi with NoGi grips almost all of the time... It's a great handicap to give your opp for training! My Guilotine,Triangle, Arm Bar, RNC's are deadly! No-Gi or Gi! Ask anyone on here or elsewhere that has rolled with me ;) You know you're good at a technique when your opp knows it's coming and they can't do anything to stop it!

[Enrique "Kiko"]

Nonesense! I roll in the Gi with NoGi grips almost all of the time... It's a great handicap to give your opp for training! My Guilotine,Triangle, Arm Bar, RNC's are deadly! No-Gi or Gi! Ask anyone on here or elsewhere that has rolled with me ;) You know you're good at a technique when your opp knows it's coming and they can't do anything to stop it!

Can I have some of your deadly Guillotine, Triangle, and RNC skills please =D.

[Bill Keeling]

This is an OLLLLDDD thread, but I have a constraint of no-gi schools around me, and one thing I hear often from people at the place I train is that gi will tighten up the no-gi.... I have never found it to be true, but is this everyone's opinion? I dont like the gi training, but since its all I have around, I put up with it. But I was mostly curious as to the general consensus on that... will the gi game make no gi better?

Training in the Gi will increase your posture and base (because of pulling on the collar/sleeve). Seeing how posture and base are crucial aspects of the No-Gi game... Then I would say the Gi would be a good training tool to "increase your performance" in No-Gi. There are many more angles/aspects that Gi training provides. But these, I think are the biggest benefits.

[Bill Keeling]

Can I have some of your deadly Guillotine, Triangle, and RNC skills please =D.

Why yes, yes you can ;) Fly up to Louisville, or fly me to Miami. (I like the latter better) And I would be happy to pass along some knawledge ;)

[Enrique "Kiko"]

Why yes, yes you can ;) Fly up to Louisville, or fly me to Miami. (I like the latter better) And I would be happy to pass along some knawledge ;)

Hmm....I've never been to KY. I heard you guys throw some badass BBQ's up there. Lean BBQ + Jiu Jitsu = the good life.

[Enrique "Kiko"]

This is an OLLLLDDD thread, but I have a constraint of no-gi schools around me, and one thing I hear often from people at the place I train is that gi will tighten up the no-gi.... I have never found it to be true, but is this everyone's opinion? I dont like the gi training, but since its all I have around, I put up with it. But I was mostly curious as to the general consensus on that... will the gi game make no gi better?

Training in gi makes your gi skill set better, training in nogi makes your nogi better. Sure there's some crossover, but the two sports are so very different now, regardless of the similarities. It's like kung-fu and karate, or judo and greco-roman. in nogi sweat is a big factor, so those over/under hooks better be working.

[Joshua Spriggs]

we also don't have alcohol limits on % in beer. bars are open til 4, have the highest amount of fast food per capita, and some amazing scenery. I realize not all of that is good, but whatever.

[Bryan Burke]

I stated jiu-jitsu about three years ago and was doing it for three months before i completly tore every tendon in my right shoulder and was out for over two years. I started back about 8months ago and I have always wore a gi. About 2 months ago now i ran across 10th planet and eddie bravo. It has completly changed my game and I have been using the gi. Its alittle hard for me to get as much reps as ya'll due to my gym being a traditional jj place so im just practicing some of my techniques after class when we free train. I would have to say that eddie's techniques fit me perfectly. Im a small guy at 130lbs and most guys in my gym are 160-260. These techniques used with gi on larger guys is amazing. I have found one problem with them grabbing my pant leg and using that to try and pass which they are sometimes successful, unless i can catch that leg in butterfly while in mission control. It sucks that I have no gyms closer to perfect my technique but the technique section is amazing and now that i found a 10th planet about 3.5hours from me i plan on taking that trip once a month. Im looking at competing in NAGA coming in april and i wish to do it in the gi so if anyone as any tips or suggestions let me know. Im gald this site exsits because it has completly pissed off everyone in my gym, lol. They hate rolling with me now, lol!!

[Enrique "Kiko"]

we also don't have alcohol limits on % in beer. bars are open til 4, have the highest amount of fast food per capita, and some amazing scenery. I realize not all of that is good, but whatever.

so long as there are cool people and jiu jitsu, I'm happy, minus the fast food. I'd probably be cooking a lot.

[Corky]

This is how i do it when i roll bjj i usually get rubber guard right away and they dont know what the hell to do
Wen i do no gi i dont stand a chance because they are all more experienced

[Corky]

Renato what black belt degree are you? Do you have a belt in 10th planet?

[Mike Dewitt Jr]

Can I order this design as a patch for my gi?

[Mike Nall]

Fixed.

I dunno. I'm a Judo black belt and have good no-gi throws...

Are you saying wrestling is better for no-gi? if so, I agree. But if you've done Judo a long time it's not a very difficult transition.

[Chris Herzog]

I dunno. I'm a Judo black belt and have good no-gi throws...

Are you saying wrestling is better for no-gi? if so, I agree. But if you've done Judo a long time it's not a very difficult transition.

No, What I was referring to was that Gi Judo helps your Gi Judo Throws, No-Gi Judo helps your No-Gi throws.

I'm a black belt in Judo as well (4th Dan), and if your planning to use your Judo for No-gi, you have to modify how you train your Judo. Its not as simple as taking off your gi and start throwing. Its not just learning underhooks/overhooks, setups and throwing strategy change. Sport Judo (read that as Judo for Judo competition)focuses on throwing for the sake of throwing, even recklessly at times with little to no regard for position after the throw. When I teach my Judo/Sambo classes I tell my students that I view throws/takedowns as guard passes. Once their balance is broken, and I've entered for the throw my main focus is obtaining dominant position, if my throw takes me into the guard/half guard , I immediately pass, once dominant position is secured my throw is complete. So whenever we practice repetitions guard passes are always part of the throw. The focus is on the transition from throw directly to position.

1)Obtain dominate position.
2)If you happen to smash them into a dominant position with speed, power, wheezing and snot bubbles....BONUS!

[Bryan Burke]

Can I order this design as a patch for my gi?

i would like to do this also if its cool

[NavarroJuan]

i would like to do this also if its cool Ditto

[Cody Kietzman]

My best GI move is to completely shed my belt and GI top at the very beginning of every match. I find that i enjoy it more that way.

[Kyle Spalla]

gi does help with your judo throws

I actually found training my Judo without the gi tightened up my trips/sweeping throw and shoulder throws a lot. It helped me commit more to the actually arm and leg rather then tugging just the gi. So I high recommend both, though it sort of limits your arsenal of throws it helps you get really really good with some effective ones..

[Kyle Spalla]

No, What I was referring to was that Gi Judo helps your Gi Judo Throws, No-Gi Judo helps your No-Gi throws.

I'm a black belt in Judo as well (4th Dan), and if your planning to use your Judo for No-gi, you have to modify how you train your Judo. Its not as simple as taking off your gi and start throwing. Its not just learning underhooks/overhooks, setups and throwing strategy change. Sport Judo (read that as Judo for Judo competition)focuses on throwing for the sake of throwing, even recklessly at times with little to no regard for position after the throw. When I teach my Judo/Sambo classes I tell my students that I view throws/takedowns as guard passes. Once their balance is broken, and I've entered for the throw my main focus is obtaining dominant position, if my throw takes me into the guard/half guard , I immediately pass, once dominant position is secured my throw is complete. So whenever we practice repetitions guard passes are always part of the throw. The focus is on the transition from throw directly to position.

1)Obtain dominate position.
2)If you happen to smash them into a dominant position with speed, power, wheezing and snot bubbles....BONUS!


This.