Renato, About Your Gi ....

[Jason Mallory]

Renato,

You say that you have to train in the Gi or else you're not doing 'Brazil Jiu Jitsu.' Well, what's it called when you use your art in a fight but you're not wearing your Gi ?

[Jason Eisner]

Not an act Stephan. Renato is as real as a heart attack.

I have hung out with Renato quite a bit and helped him learn the areas around Los Angeles.

He is fun to kick it with and is quite good with the ladies, but...(ATTN: THIS IS NOT A JOKE)...the first time I met up with him for lunch, he actually fucking wore his Gi!

I'M TOTALLY SERIOUS.

If you don't believe me, guess what? You'll see it in a future episode of MTS.

I couldn't believe it, but he wore it just to prove a point!

P.S. He is always flossing. He has this weird thing about super clean teeth. I dunno. Said it was something about it looking "not poor," but I told him that many wealthy people also have shitty teeth. Kinda quirky and I wonder if he is maybe OCD. He is an interesting dude to say the least.

[Robert Kipness]

This is crazy

[CoryBrister]

Renato is legit

[Jesse Bell]

He suffers from Toxmoplasmosis. Most Brazilian men who have lived in major cities have it. It makes him aggressive and very defensive about what he believes in. He is definitely legit. Look at it like this. If we all spent years training 10th Planet and some guy came along and created a system with Shin Guards to protect lockdown and neck spikes to block gogo's we would get angry about our blackbelts being useless in a fight on the beach too.

[Robert Kipness]

Whoa man, don't call his ju Jitsu useless. That's pretty disrespectful. I'm sure he could choke the fuck out of you.

[Dawna]

He is hot, just sayin...the accent doesn't hurt either

[Eddie Bravo]

Dawna, Renato has a gf so please don't start any weird drama in class, trust me, his girl is super jealous

[Heidi McCreery]

Come on guys. It is all Jiu Jitsu. I think if you truly love Jiu Jitsu you would be open to learning every aspect and evolution of it. You are being just as bad as Renato by starting shit like this. So he loves bjj and defends it. So what. You love and defend 10thpjj. I respect gi and nogi, but mostly I respect the people who are open to it all. You have all talked about how Jiu Jitsu is about being open minded. But a lot of you, if it's not 10thpjj than you won't have anything to do with it. That's being very narrow minded. Just stick with what works for you and let others do the same. Don't chastize people for having a fucking opinion. Be open minded. Practice what you preach.

[Ron Almeida]

i agree with heidi, be open minded to learn everything you can and keep what works for you...

[Matt Wallace]

Heidi - u think like a real martial artist. Well said.

[Josh Smith]

Come on guys. It is all Jiu Jitsu. I think if you truly love Jiu Jitsu you would be open to learning every aspect and evolution of it. You are being just as bad as Renato by starting shit like this. So he loves bjj and defends it. So what. You love and defend 10thpjj. I respect gi and nogi, but mostly I respect the people who are open to it all. You have all talked about how Jiu Jitsu is about being open minded. But a lot of you, if it's not 10thpjj than you won't have anything to do with it. That's being very narrow minded. Just stick with what works for you and let others do the same. Don't chastize people for having a fucking opinion. Be open minded. Practice what you preach.

This is why I love this woman!!! Well said Babe...

[Jason Eisner]

Agreed. Very well said Heidi. Just a few possible slight misconceptions that I want to point out.

For starters, many people make this mistake, but 10th Planet JJ is BJJ. It is not a separate entity, but more like a branch of a very large tree. So, we practice and drill any and all techniques that work on a high level for No-Gi. That includes a lot of traditional JJ.

Also, keep in mind that at HQ, people do in fact show Renato proper respect. Eddie doesn't allow people to disrespect one another at the gym. He is very serious about that, so if anyone is being disrespectful, you can bet they are not from HQ.

Renato is a tough cookie, but he is very knowledgeable and just comes from very specific circumstances. Although he can be difficult sometimes, we all definitely appreciate his charisma and talent.

[Dawna]

Sorry Eddie, I'll try not to.

[Renato Laranja]

Renato,

You say that you have to train in the Gi or else you're not doing 'Brazil Jiu Jitsu.' Well, what's it called when you use your art in a fight but you're not wearing your Gi ?

When you gonna train with weights, do you need to take the weights home with you to see if you gonna have muscles? No. If you train hard,the muscles gonna stay. It's the same with the Gi. That's Jiu-Jitsu.

[Renato Laranja]

Renato kind of looks like Rassan lol. The only way I could like this guy is if its all an act.

You so use to foney jiu-jitsu that you don't know when you see the real thing. If you don't like me I don't care. Everything I do is for Jiu-Jitsu. BRASIL Jiu-Jitsu.

[Jason Mallory]

Renato,

If I am going to wear a gi, which color gi should I wear? I noticed you wear a black gi. Does a black gi make your jiu jitsu better than a white gi ?

[Aab]

Its important not to turn this Gi vs no Gi into a Religious following for years to come. Simply be open minded about both. I hardly ever do Gi because I get hot easy but I am wondering if it really does make your Jiu Jitsu better.

[Jesse Bell]

Heidi - Will you marry me?



Renato - Will you marry me?

[Stephan Pepin]

Haha Yeah kinda figured he could be legit never would have brought it up if it wasnt for my friend trying desperately to convince me its another punk. I am not here to hate on anyone or the gi though. Just here for the love of jiu jitsu like everyone else.

[Heidi McCreery]

Renato,

If I am going to wear a gi, which color gi should I wear? I noticed you wear a black gi. Does a black gi make your jiu jitsu better than a white gi ?

Wow.....really? Look, no one is forcing you to wear a gi or to like it. But don't put down those that do. Look at Eddie. All he did was adapted and evolved what he had already learned from the gi!!! I've only been learning gi for a few weeks but I am already learning things that can easily be used in nogi. I love it all.

[Heidi McCreery]

Heidi - Will you marry me?



Renato - Will you marry me?

Hahaha!!! I am very happily taken. :D

[Heidi McCreery]

i am not here to hate on anyone or the gi though. Just here for the love of jiu jitsu like everyone else.

yay!!! :d

[SFCMcGruff]

I am heading to HQ next week. Should I be concerned about being gunned down in a JJ north-south beef similar to an old school Biggie-Tupac/East,West Hip-Hop beef? Least anyone not understand sarcasm I am joking............about the gunned down part, I will be visiting HQ next week.

[Heidi McCreery]

This is why I love this woman!!! Well said Babe...

Hehe! Mwah!!! <3

[Jonathan Wylie]

Hehe! Mwah!!! <3

hey save that crap for facebook! lol

[Josh Smith]

Heidi - Will you marry me?



Renato - Will you marry me?



LoL, You can have Renato bro, but Heidi is mine!!! According to Eddie, Renato is taken as well... Sorry man...

[Brandon Timney]

LOLZ --- I think everyone is missing a huge point! 10th Plantet JJ is adapted for use in MMA! Last time I checked, you are not allowed to wear a Gi in MMA plain and simple! I have HUGE respect for BJJ as that is where this all came from! Without it 10th planet would not be! Look @ someone like Ari Bolden from 10th Planet Victoria! A KICK ass Japanese Jiu Jitsu Blackbelt which adapted into a great 10th planet teacher!

[Josh Smith]

LOLZ --- I think everyone is missing a huge point! 10th Plantet JJ is adapted for use in MMA! Last time I checked, you are not allowed to wear a Gi in MMA plain and simple! I have HUGE respect for BJJ as that is where this all came from! Without it 10th planet would not be! Look @ someone like Ari Bolden from 10th Planet Victoria! A KICK ass Japanese Jiu Jitsu Blackbelt which adapted into a great 10th planet teacher!

Don't forget that Ari is also a Keith Owens BJJ Affiliate & trains in the Gi as well...

[Stephan Pepin]

Meleefightgear.com

[Aab]

I love crayons so much I once cyclone kicked a mfer for stealing my Crayola's. Pshhh stupid people.

[Heidi McCreery]

There's a forum titled "Possible Conspiracy" where a few people were talking about that. Someone said the guy's name from the website is Rhassaan. I don't know if he was being serious or not.

[Aab]

Page 9 of mastering the twister shows a picture of Rhassaan......I can't quite tell if they are the same but they look similar. Even if they aren't that Melee Fight gear dude IS Renato.

[Jesse Bell]

Renato is for real. He is dead serious.

[Jason Eisner]

Guys...I am telling you. RENATO IS REAL. IT IS NOT A PRANK. Basically what you guys are saying is that two guys look sort of similar. That may be, I don't see it personally, but I understand the confusion.

[Dawna]

You guys Renato is for real. Totally different dude then who your talking about. Renato=hot!! Rhasaan=ok, not even close...just sayin. (No disrepect to Rhassaan, he's very cool!)

[Eddie Bravo]

Renato did do some modeling in brasil and Steve hired him from an agency about a year ago, that's how he heard about 10th Planet. If it wasn't for melee Renato would not be training at my academy. You guys really need to chill out about the conspiracy, you're starting to scare me :)

[Renato Laranja]

Renato,

If I am going to wear a gi, which color gi should I wear? I noticed you wear a black gi. Does a black gi make your jiu jitsu better than a white gi ?

I try to have a real talk with you about Jiu-Jitsu. Now you being a wise guy. It don't matter the color of my Gi,but it matters the color of my belt. You don't have no respect for rank. More important,you don't have no respect for you self.

[Jason Mallory]

I try to have a real talk with you about Jiu-Jitsu. Now you being a wise guy. It don't matter the color of my Gi,but it matters the color of my belt. You don't have no respect for rank. More important,you don't have no respect for you self.

Your right, I'm sorry. I was just playing around with you a little. Hey I started training in the gi too with a Rickson Gracie black belt. I hope you can accept my apology.

[Renato Laranja]

Your right, I'm sorry. I was just playing around with you a little. Hey I started training in the gi too with a Rickson Gracie black belt. I hope you can accept my apology.

One thing I can do is forgive. I don't forget,but I can forgive. I like Rickson a lot. He's a good guy. What's the guys name you train with?

[Brandon Mccaghren]

Renato, check me out!

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2567/30/68/729671026/n729671026_2056785_3950778.jpg

[Heidi McCreery]

Yay!!! The true spirit and comradery of Jiu Jitsu (BJJ, 10thpJJ, Japanese, etc) prevails! I love this sport! :D

[Jason Mallory]

One thing I can do is forgive. I don't forget,but I can forgive. I like Rickson a lot. He's a good guy. What's the guys name you train with?

Maricio Acosta. He was part of Rickson' entourage in the movie 'Choke.'

[Jason Mallory]

Renato, check me out!

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2567/30/68/729671026/n729671026_2056785_3950778.jpg

Brandon, did you ever break down how Rickson demonstrated his armbar at the seminar ?

[Stephan Pepin]

"After studying the facial construction for about ten minutes or so I have determined that if that's not Renato on MeleeFightGear.com, he's got a twin brother running around somewhere!!! "

Lol maby just a look alike.

[Brandon Mccaghren]

Brandon, did you ever break down how Rickson demonstrated his armbar at the seminar ?

we had a long thread about it on the other site. it's pretty hard to describe. he strikes like a snake. there are no steps, just one continuous movement.

it is demonstrated against an untrained attacker; when he goes for the throat (think rape choke).

it's very impressive.

[Scott Elkin]

Renato might be legit but he looks like hes acting lol

if he is acting, he should be nominated for an emmy

[Jason Mallory]

That's a mouth full. I trained with Rhassan at HQ and this Renato cat is nothing like Rhassan, except maybe the color of his skin.

[Jay Chow]

The clear pixel thing is me, in return for a few privates I am doing some graphics for Renato so he can branch out more and it'd help him out. I also did his avatar for him as a favour.

You think you're cool making out this is a prank? You look more a fool because he's a real life guy. He told me his instructor but I can't remember what his name was, too many Brazilian names going through my head

[Stephan Pepin]

Why the fuck would that make someone feel cool?

[Stephan Pepin]

Renato is a model?

[bobby rivers]

I wanna see him rolling one of the blacks or browns. Just to see him prove his point, or their lack of foundation.

[Melee]

Renato did do some modeling in brasil and Steve hired him from an agency about a year ago, that's how he heard about 10th Planet. If it wasn't for melee Renato would not be training at my academy. You guys really need to chill out about the conspiracy, you're starting to scare me :)

When I was launching the latest version of the melee site, I needed an athletic male model. A good friend of mine works at a modeling management company, and I asked her if anyone would be willing to shoot for free...as my budget was tight. Renato totally stepped up, and it turned out he was a fellow BJJ practitioner. He was really professional and generous with his time. At the shoot, we were talking shop about JJ and I said come train with us. And he did.

[Paul Hannan]

If Renato is real, then I'm an international playboy with a donkey sized appendage. Great creation though : )

[Jason Mallory]

I'm sure if we could see Renato and Rhassan side by side it would end the debate with a measured amount of cerntainty.

That's a good idea. The last I heard Rhassan was in New York filming a soap so it will have to wait until he goes back to L.A.

[Josh Smith]

Wow, Seven pages? Damn!!!

[Andrei (KAZE)]

I can tell you one thing...Guys that used to training in GI play jj very "tight". I mean they are used to maintaining a very tight grip while going from one transition to another. Maybe it's even better to start your bjj with gi...just to have the feel of it...the feel of "tightness" of the game, the feel of good control over your opponent. Then you can move to no-gi and your game will only get better. I started with no-gi but it was damn hard for me at first, i had to learn to balance on my opponent which was hell of a lot harder than if i'd put my gi on. But despite all this bullcrap i can easily throw rubber guard on my opponents with or without gi. I'v heard Eddie say that gi developes bad habits like pulling by the collar while having your opponent in your guard but that's where your open-mindness comes into play. I would wear a freaking gi just to make it easier for my opponent to choke me, just to be more aware but i wouldn't use the advantages of my gi (except keeping my sweat of my face and stuff). My point is that gi means more control, more awareness. Gi doesn't make your game worse, but you have to be able to do just as well without the darn jacket.
P.S. Rickson trained without gi from time to time and don't tell me he doesn't know jiu-jitsu.

[Andrei (KAZE)]

Oh and...here's Royce saying why he is using a gi in his fight with sakuraba (from 3:00) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjM2akbN-9Q

[Stephan Pepin]

I wonder if Renato will go on the cruise.

[markusneo]

Can we see Renato versus Eddie on MTS? :)

[Richard Tran]

I can tell you one thing...Guys that used to training in GI play jj very "tight". I mean they are used to maintaining a very tight grip while going from one transition to another. Maybe it's even better to start your bjj with gi...just to have the feel of it...the feel of "tightness" of the game, the feel of good control over your opponent. Then you can move to no-gi and your game will only get better. I started with no-gi but it was damn hard for me at first, i had to learn to balance on my opponent which was hell of a lot harder than if i'd put my gi on. But despite all this bullcrap i can easily throw rubber guard on my opponents with or without gi. I'v heard Eddie say that gi developes bad habits like pulling by the collar while having your opponent in your guard but that's where your open-mindness comes into play. I would wear a freaking gi just to make it easier for my opponent to choke me, just to be more aware but i wouldn't use the advantages of my gi (except keeping my sweat of my face and stuff). My point is that gi means more control, more awareness. Gi doesn't make your game worse, but you have to be able to do just as well without the darn jacket.
P.S. Rickson trained without gi from time to time and don't tell me he doesn't know jiu-jitsu.

If I had only one year to get good at Gi or No Gi for a no gi tourney, I would totally invest it in no gi training. No point of pulling on things in training when its not there later. When I train, my clinch gets stronger everytime I do it. The collar chokes are not going to be there in competition, Ill invest time in some other submission defense. Its up to the athlete to train the way he does. If he is drilling without proper clinch work, we will see it in competition. Maybe its the friction of the Gi that gives you control, but what if its not their? Maybe we can turn to physics or science for the answer. As far as sweat factor, yes its there. Accept the battlefield you are in and prepare ahead, maybe some 10th planet? I think tradition is a huge factor. What could happen in an alternate jiu jitsu universe? Both are beautiful, but I see them as two different sports. I don't see it so much as Art vs Art, but who has the most effective training method in that area? A different philosophy has came to the surface back in '03. It's now 2010, I'll just let time tell, not just in Jiu Jistu but also in MMA.

[Josh Smith]

Can we see Renato versus Eddie on MTS? :)

Yes, That would definately make me a believer!!! Someone needs to PM Jason Eisner!!!

[AJ Camacho]

http://www.kobukaijujitsu.com/maedawrestle.gif

Mistuyo Maeda didn't need a gi

[Stephan Pepin]

"I do it all for jiu jistu Brazil jiu jitsu".

[Jay Chow]

this is for sure a prank his accent is not real!!! his enlish is perfect. I wonder what belt he has in the 10th planet system im guessing purple lol.

So a guy who can speak fluent in another language means he must be that nationality?

And no, he's a black belt, therefore he is a brown belt in 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu under Eddie's rules!

[Manita]

I've got no doubt that Renato is a master on the mat. And I respect the fact that he defends his passion to fight with Gi, but why does he have to comment on everything Eddie says in the MTS series?!
I think it's rude and unrespectfull towards Eddie. I get angry by just watching it, so my compliments to Eddie that he can stay polite and respectfull to Renato eventhough he doesn't get it in return.

[Travis Reichert]

No one should complain about jujitsu ju-jitsu jiu-jitsu or any other type of grappling because the basis is all the same to subdue your opponent without excessive force. All jiu-jitsu started from Japan with the Gi, but all submissions go back to acient Greeks and Romans so Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu isn't necessarily better than 10thppj or Japanese jujitsu its all the art of grappling and submissions with variations, people should just be accepting of all like Heidi said we all come from the same lineage when it comes to grappling whether you are from Brazil, America, Japan, Asia, Greece ect...

[Jeremy Dooley]

ive trained and hung out with rhasaan a bunch of times at HQ and when he came here (melbourne) for a seminar. Im sure he'd find the comparisons made on this thread hilarious.

[Hector Ramos]

Who gives a shit !! Just goddamn watch MTS, if you do not like it don't fucking watch it. Simple as that

[Josh Smith]

I never thought there would be nine pages of this shit!!! That's fucking hilarious!!!

[Dima]

Hahaha good stuff guys ... so much time wasted. BUT here I go lol. In my opinion its a punk, HOWEVER, its made to entertain us all and to make life a bit more fun so its a douchy thing to do to try and uncover it like your some Sherloc Holmes lol. If it is a punk then itll come out in the future but meanwhile just enjoy, you gotto remember Eddie and the crew are professionals at Jiu Jitsu NOT acting, so enough of this critique lol cmon'

[Hector Ramos]

Agreed :D

[Christopher Crayon]

Hey Crazies,

The Renato saga has me laughing my ass off everytime I see it. So funny.

[tiki]

When you gonna train with weights, do you need to take the weights home with you to see if you gonna have muscles? No. If you train hard,the muscles gonna stay. It's the same with the Gi. That's Jiu-Jitsu.

http://i44.tinypic.com/1zzw4o.gif

[AJ Camacho]

No one should complain about jujitsu ju-jitsu jiu-jitsu or any other type of grappling because the basis is all the same to subdue your opponent without excessive force. All jiu-jitsu started from Japan with the Gi, but all submissions go back to acient Greeks and Romans so Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu isn't necessarily better than 10thppj or Japanese jujitsu its all the art of grappling and submissions with variations, people should just be accepting of all like Heidi said we all come from the same lineage when it comes to grappling whether you are from Brazil, America, Japan, Asia, Greece ect...

Yeah but that explanation of "shaking" the grip off the pant leg was pretty bad. Renato got Eddie with that one.
:rolleyes:

[Jesse Bell]

Renato is a true demi-god of the Annunaki. He comes from a bloodline of higher power, knowledge and technology. Mainly the Gi gives him these gifts.

[Nathan "Máquina"]

Guys,

I see a lot of posts on here about Renato Laranga and many of them are pretty disrespectful. Some of you have basically claimed that it is all joke and he's not real etc. - IF ONLY THAT WERE TRUE. Come to headquarters and you will see.

I don't agree with Renato (or anyone) interrupting class because to me, that's disrespecting Eddie and a few guys and I have talked to him about it because a week ago things got out of hand. But likewise, he is entitled to all of his opinions on the gi and its value and I think having an open mind is one of the main unique points about 10th planet.

Renato has been training at 10th planet in Hollywood and he is a Brazilian black belt. You don't see film on the days where he is just a great training partner to have and he is just there to train. What you've seen is video on a couple of incidents with Eddie but everyone is trying to work it out and train in a friendly environment. It doesn't help when on these forums so many of you are making fun of him or how he carries himself. I think we should try to have a team that tries to adapt itself and enfold people with different views rather than reject them outright - despite the flareups we've had at HQ, I think we are all trying to show mutual respect, Renato included, and I am happy to welcome any and all blackbelts who want to come and train with us.

[Josh Smith]

Guys,

I see a lot of posts on here about Renato Laranga and many of them are pretty disrespectful. Some of you have basically claimed that it is all joke and he's not real etc. - IF ONLY THAT WERE TRUE. Come to headquarters and you will see.

I don't agree with Renato (or anyone) interrupting class because to me, that's disrespecting Eddie and a few guys and I have talked to him about it because a week ago things got out of hand. But likewise, he is entitled to all of his opinions on the gi and its value and I think having an open mind is one of the main unique points about 10th planet.

Renato has been training at 10th planet in Hollywood and he is a Brazilian black belt. You don't see film on the days where he is just a great trainer partner to have and he is just there to train. What you've seen is video on a couple of incidents with Eddie but everyone is trying to work it out and train in a friendly environment. It doesn't help when on these forums so many of you are making fun of him or how he carries himself. I think we should try to have a team that tries to adapt itself and enfold people with different views rather than reject them outright - despite the flareups we've had at HQ, I think we are all trying to show mutual respect, Renato included, and I am happy to welcome any and all blackbelts who want to come and train with us.

Bro, the fact is that most of us don't live anywhere near Hollywood and the only knowledge that we have of Renato is what we see on MTS... We all also know that Eddie (by his own admission) sometimes feels compelled to fuck with people and has done so in the past... If that's the case, then it's funny as hell if it's not the case, then perhaps Renato doesn't realize how naturally entertaining he is... However I don't think anyone on here meant any disrespect to anyone!!! We (as a whole) are not that type of community...

[Orlando Rosæ]

Laranja puts the "Gi" in "no-Gi Jiu Jitsu." He is the best thing ever to happen to 10th planet. The reason they're not putting up any footage of him rolling with people is cause he's clowning them all with Renato Jiu Jitsu.

That's right. I said it! Brasil Jiu Jitsu...Porra!!

[Jay Chow]

Renato is a LEGIT black belt, his no-gi game is actually very, very solid. I didn't get to see him roll with Eddie who was injured when I was over there, but he was schooling everybody I saw him go with.

[Christopher Crayon]

Hey Crazies,

I love that Renato character. I think it's pretty cool how his last name "Laranja" means Orange in Portuguese. Hey, what was Rhassan's last name again?

"Thats Jiu Jitsu"

[Nathan "Máquina"]

Hey Crazies,

I love that Renato character. I think it's pretty cool how his last name "Laranja" means Orange in Portuguese. Hey, what was Rhassan's last name again?

"Thats Jiu Jitsu"

Chris,

I've been travelling to Brazil on and off for five years now and am almost fluent in portuguese.

Renato's nickname "láranja" means something close to "the grinder" in english - it's tough to exactly translate, but it's like seeing someone grind their teeth together.

Leave it alone for now and try to give the guy a break...

[Orlando Rosæ]

Laranja is a combination of two words, "La Aranha" or "La Aranja." It is a Brazilian word meaning "The Spider." In that part of Brazil close to Argentina, Paraguay, and Uruguay the "nh" is pronounced like a "j" and they are used interchangeably. The Argentinians, Paraguayans, and Uruguayans do the same but they pronounce the "ll" like a "j." Renato's nickname is a slang/phonetic spelling of a regional pronunciation. I hope this clears up some of the confusion.

[Jason Eisner]

I have video of Renato rolling at HQ and you will all see it on upcoming episodes of MTS.

[Josh Smith]

Thank you God!!! Wait... Thank you Jason!!!

[Jessie Saucedo]

this whole thread is cracking me up..:D lol

[kying418]

Did he ever mention who he got his bjj blackbelt from?

[Jason Mallory]

I think he did on one of the episodes of MTS. I could be wrong though.

[Taylor Culbertson]

I wish I could do the Robert De Niro frown/head nod. That shit looks stone cold, yet friendly. Pure gold.

[Micah Cotrell]

Drama can be good. Is Renato's girl friend a practitioner of jiu-jitsu? I wonder if Renato makes love with his gi top on or do you think he just wears his black belt.

[Josh Smith]

WOW!!! This thread is catching up on "the ultimate ass thread" as well ass the "10th Planet Cruise" thread.... LMMFAO!!!

[Josh Smith]

cool... be sure to PM me that info as well... In case I forget to check this thread!!!

[Eddie Bravo]

This just in, Renato is doing Abu Dhabi 2011!!! And he's gonna rep 10th Planet, so he says... :)

[Josh Smith]

Lmao

[Jem Havok]

"Thats Jiu Jitsu"

[Josh Smith]

OK I just watched MTS 10 & whether this Renato thing is real or not anymore isn't the point... It's just starting to get annoying now!!! I just want to fast forward through the video every time I see him but the buffer on that player is way to slow so I'm forced to watch it if I want to see any techniques!!! I still want to see him roll though...

[Travis Reichert]

OK I just watched MTS 10 & whether this Renato thing is real or not anymore isn't the point... It's just starting to get annoying now!!! I just want to fast forward through the video every time I see him but the buffer on that player is way to slow so I'm forced to watch it if I want to see any techniques!!! I still want to see him roll though...

I agree I kow he has his view, but it is annoying him piping up about everything. He is a black belt congrats and he got it wearing a gi awesome, but now he is doing no-gi so just learn the technique and stop thinking about the gi for a minute.

[Josh Smith]

This just in, Renato is doing Abu Dhabi 2011!!! And he's gonna rep 10th Planet, so he says... :)

If that's the case, then you need to tell him to take Laranja Jiu Jitsu off of his "school" on his user profile...

[Ryan_B]

In his defense if you train with a gi your nogi escapes will get better and your wrist control will get better just from practicing gi grips.

[Jim Allen]

WOW!!! This thread is catching up on "the ultimate ass thread" as well ass the "10th Planet Cruise" thread.... LMMFAO!!!

I know, right?!?! That's crazy!!

[Jason Mallory]

In his defense if you train with a gi your nogi escapes will get better and your wrist control will get better just from practicing gi grips.

I'm not trying to be confrontational but how does training in the gi make your no-gi escapes better again ?

[MikeSnowdon]

OK I just watched MTS 10 & whether this Renato thing is real or not anymore isn't the point... It's just starting to get annoying now!!!

I have to be honest, there's been some awkward moments with Renato in past episodes, but after seeing MTS 10 (great episode by the way) I'm finding the Renato saga pretty damn funny. I'm also quite sure that's the intention....


*SPOILER ALERT*




....come on, the guy broke into some freestyle Brazilian rapping - or as he calls it, "h"apping - for God's sake! Priceless! :)

[Josh Smith]

In his defense if you train with a gi your nogi escapes will get better and your wrist control will get better just from practicing gi grips.

LoL, all that gi training didn't help you at Eddie's seminar @ 10th Planet Decatur when you tried to reverse his rubber guard!!! I'm just fucking with ya man, even though it was hilarious & we all had a good laugh at you & Don getting his new nick name (Singlet)... But I do agree with you about the gi to an extent... The gi does help with your escapes & grips but like Eddie says "pulling on collars does nothing for you clinching & squeezing.. The only way to get better at clinching & squeezing is to be constantly clinching & squeezing"... However Your instructor (Paul Joyner @ Gracie 601 in Meridian, MS.) and I had a long conversation on the phone about this & we came to the conclusion that it's better for nogi guys to train in the gi with the rule that you cannot grab the gi under any circumstances... Then the only thing you have to deal with is the traction that the gi creates... If you're gonna train in a gi to make your nogi game better, this is how it should be done in my opinion...

-Just my 2cents

[Jason Mallory]

But I do agree with you about the gi to an extent... The gi does help with your escapes & grips

I know that the tone when writing can be misinterpreted so I want to say from the start that the tone of this post is totally friendly. Josh, since you agree with Ryan that the gi helps with your escapes no-gi, could you explain how the gi makes your no-gi escapes better? Like I said the tone is totally friendly.

[Josh Smith]

I just did... TRACTION!!! Go & read my post before this one again... I.E. The gi creates traction which makes your escapes harder to preform... If you can do them with the gi on, then you can practically fly out of some positions without the gi... Just look at Marcelo Garcia or any Abu Dahbi champ... Even Eddie started out learning escapes in the gi... I'm not saying that it's impossible to have good escapes without the gi, I'm just saying that the gi makes them better, in about half the time in my humble opinion... (tone is totally & utterly friendly as well Bro)

[Jason Mallory]

I just did... TRACTION!!! Go & read my post before this one again... I.E. The gi creates traction which makes your escapes harder to preform... If you can do them with the gi on, then you can practically fly out of some positions without the gi... Just look at Marcelo Garcia or any Abu Dahbi champ... Even Eddie started out learning escapes in the gi... I'm not saying that it's impossible to have good escapes without the gi, I'm just saying that the gi makes them better, in about half the time in my humble opinion... (tone is totally & utterly friendly as well Bro)

I see where you are coming from and I've heard that before. I started BJJ with the gi and still train about 50% of the time in the gi ( when I'm healthy ). The gi is like training wheels on a bike that help you learn how to ride. You can learn to ride a bike without training wheels too.

I personally don't agree with the idea that the gi helps you learn no-gi escapes or anything else no-gi faster. The only thing the gi does is slow the game down in a way which has nothing to do with technique which I feel is counter productive to learning no-gi. But it is 'a universe full of infinite posiblilties' in the words of Matt Horwich and people are going to have different opinions and philosophies. Good stuff Josh.

[Richard Tran]

I.E. The gi creates traction which makes your escapes harder to preform... If you can do them with the gi on, then you can practically fly out of some positions without the gi... I'm just saying that the gi makes them better, in about half the time in my humble opinion... (tone is totally & utterly friendly as well Bro)

Does the Gi actually make your escapes better in any technical way or does it just make it harder to perform? Please explain how the gi makes no gi escapes better.

[Jason Mallory]

Does the Gi actually make your escapes better in any technical way or does it just make it harder to perform? Please explain how the gi makes no gi escapes better.

My take on what he wrote was that the traction with the gi makes you work harder to escape so when you take the gi off it makes your escapes better. This in my opinion is only a perception of being able to escape better. But I could be wrong.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's hard to explode out of submissions with the gi so you rarely practice your explosiveness so that's why pure jiu jitsu players have way less explosive power than wrestlers. Explosiveness is crucial for mma.

ALOT of submission defenses with the gi require you to hold on to a part of your gi for defense. Like if someone sits back for an ankle lock, you're supposed to sit up and grab his collar for defense. And when someone goes for a kimura on you, you're supposed to grab your pants for defense. Or when someone has you in spider web going for an arm bar, you're supposed to grab your own collar for defense. Or when someone is trying to RNC you, you're supposed to grab both your collars.

How does the gi help your nogi defense again??

Remember, the only guy to escape Marcelo's RNC in ADCC was Diego Sanchez who had never trained in the gi at that point. His explosiveness got him out :)

[Josh Smith]

My take on what he wrote was that the traction with the gi makes you work harder to escape so when you take the gi off it makes your escapes better. This in my opinion is only a perception of being able to escape better. But I could be wrong.

That was it Jason... I have trouble putting things into words sometimes so thank you for saving me bro!!!

[Josh Smith]

It's hard to explode out of submissions with the gi so you rarely practice your explosiveness so that's why pure jiu jitsu players have way less explosive power than wrestlers. Explosiveness is crucial for mma.

ALOT of submission defenses with the gi require you to hold on to a part of your gi for defense. Like if someone sits back for an ankle lock, you're supposed to sit up and grab his collar for defense. And when someone goes for a kimura on you, you're supposed to grab your pants for defense. Or when someone has you in spider web going for an arm bar, you're supposed to grab your own collar for defense. Or when someone is trying to RNC you, you're supposed to grab both your collars.

How does the gi help your nogi defense again??

Remember, the only guy to escape Marcelo's RNC in ADCC was Diego Sanchez who had never trained in the gi at that point. His explosiveness got him out :)

So should we all be just wrestler's with submissions instead of relaxing & relying on technique to prevail? I'm really confused, I thought that jiu jitsu was using technique to overcome power... But I'm in no position to make that kind of assessment, it's just always what I thought & believed...

[Jason Mallory]

I wouldn't say it's about being a wrestler but a good grappler. Explosiveness is a subset of technique in good grappling just as leverage, timing and balance are. It's better to have the technical movement of a tekk sharp than to just try to muscle out of something but sharp technical movement with the right leverage, timing and explosiveness is better than technique alone any day.

Watch ADCC. All the guys that train with the gi use explosiveness at the right moment when they are grappling. Marcelo, Braulio, Galvao ....

[Ryan Cook]

I am currently re-learning the pains of where gi and no-gi are different. Like armbar defense with the gi is waaaaay harder than without the gi (if you ask me). They have so many different handles and ways to control you that it's much harder to defend the farther down the submission they get. Without the gi I find that I can defend long enough to get enough space to just get my elbow past the hips and then it is safe (unless i'm in spiderweb). That being said training with the gi makes it easier to set stuff up with the gi. How are you going to get used to people just pulling their arms out of armbars if you are holding onto their sleeve/collar/pants. I guess you could just not grab onto that stuff, but that is basically no-gi with a bulky rash guard.

[Josh Smith]

No one has commented on the rolling in a gi without grabbing clothes rule!!! What do you guys think about that? I've tried it... it's just like nogi but a little harder... Has anyone else tried this? if not, do it & share your experiences..

[Jason Mallory]

No one has commented on the rolling in a gi without grabbing clothes rule!!! What do you guys think about that? I've tried it... it's just like nogi but a little harder... Has anyone else tried this? if not, do it & share your experiences..

When I train in the gi I do not rely on the gi. I use my no-gi technique, rubber guard, half guard sweeps etc...

10th Planet tekks work great with a gi but it is a little annoying to have guys grabbing all over your gi to try to defend.

[Josh Smith]

it is a little annoying to have guys grabbing all over your gi to try to defend.

Use the rule (no grabbing clothes)!!!

[Jason Mallory]

Use the rule (no grabbing clothes)!!!

Naw... I like to dominate guys in the gi with my no-gi technique.

[Josh Smith]

fair enough...

[Jeremy Dooley]

hijacked.

[Ryan_B]

Just got in from practice. Good points Jason and Eddie. Josh anytime I put paul in mission control he grabbed my foot so I asked Eddie and now I know what to do, it was funny and Eddie I never doubted you. You and Royce are the main reason I started jits. As far as the tone of everyones comments, all i can say is this, im glad we can debate things in a friendly manner.

Im pretty much the weakest in my class and the lightest so I only have technique to rely on. The gi may not help you bigger guys no-gi game but it has helped mine. Im not saying its a night and day difference but my knee cut passes have improved. I cant contribute all of it to gi but the gi slowed the game down and I was able to rep the technique at a slower pace at about 60 to 75%. I have practiced no-gi alot more than gi (cause its more fun) and its all gonna come down to what you like more.

[Jason Mallory]

Im pretty much the weakest in my class and the lightest so I only have technique to rely on. The gi may not help you bigger guys no-gi game but it has helped mine. Im not saying its a night and day difference but my knee cut passes have improved. I cant contribute all of it to gi but the gi slowed the game down and I was able to rep the technique at a slower pace at about 60 to 75%.

You know Eddie was one of the smallest, weakest guys in class and he totally focuses on technique without wearing a gi. And I am only about 160 pounds and I never do weight training, I rely on technique.

I would argue that it's not the gi that has improved your knee cut pass but the pace at which you practice the tekk and your attention to detail when you are drilling. If you don't drill technique properly it doesn't matter whether you are wearing a gi or not you won't progress. If you rush when drilling and don't pay attention to the smallest technical movements you will have poor technique.

In fact I would say it's better to drill without a gi for no-gi competition because without the traction of the gi your technique will be more precise for no-gi. If you drill the double under pass all the time with the gi, your movement will not be as precise when you take the gi off because you have to adjust to the lack of friction. Someone who drills the double under pass no-gi all the time will have more precise movement i.e. 'better technique' because they train without the gi all the time and do not have to adjust to the lack of friction or quicker movements without the gi.

I would never try to tell someone that their experience was not valid but these are a few ideas to think about.

[Josh Smith]

Busted!!!!

[JonScottND]

Renato came to my grandma's nursing home and challenged her to a grappling match, when she explained she rep'd 10th Planet and had no gi he forced her to grapple wearing a bathrob and then submited her via hangman.

[Ryan Cook]

It's still a really funny character

[Jay Chow]

That's Jiu Jits.

[markusneo]

damm i was hoping it was real.

[Jason Mallory]

A few pages back on this thread there was some actual jiu jitsu discussed. I kinda compiled the posts and rearranged them to create an article called 'More Thoughts on Gi vs No-Gi' Eddie Bravo also added some thoughts to the conversation. Here's a link to the article:

http://www.no-gi-grappling.com/no-gi.html

[Jeremy Dooley]

this is such a funny thread, some people have way too much spare time haha

[Micah Cotrell]

Have you known about this? LMFAO!!! Why would he pay you for lessons if he did not believe in your system, like myself and others do. Abu Dhabi is a no gi tournament. Renato must have faith in your unorthodox system of no gi training!

[Jon Watkins]

It's hard to explode out of submissions with the gi so you rarely practice your explosiveness so that's why pure jiu jitsu players have way less explosive power than wrestlers. Explosiveness is crucial for mma.

ALOT of submission defenses with the gi require you to hold on to a part of your gi for defense. Like if someone sits back for an ankle lock, you're supposed to sit up and grab his collar for defense. And when someone goes for a kimura on you, you're supposed to grab your pants for defense. Or when someone has you in spider web going for an arm bar, you're supposed to grab your own collar for defense. Or when someone is trying to RNC you, you're supposed to grab both your collars.

How does the gi help your nogi defense again??

Remember, the only guy to escape Marcelo's RNC in ADCC was Diego Sanchez who had never trained in the gi at that point. His explosiveness got him out :)

Lot's of great points Master Eddie, but don't you think there are still a few merits to the gi for nogi if you are using all nogi techniques except when you're breaking grips?

[DAVIDR]

Train what you do! Do what you train! Train how you fight! Fight how you train!

[Jason Mallory]

Lot's of great points Master Eddie, but don't you think there are still a few merits to the gi for nogi if you are using all nogi techniques except when you're breaking grips?

Just curious, what are the merits of training in the gi for no-gi ?

[Brad McLoughlin]

Just curious, what are the merits of training in the gi for no-gi ?

As far as I know, the idea is that gi training forces you to prioritise technique over strength; makes you a more technical nogi fighter. More about the mindset really.

[Jason Mallory]

As far as I know, the idea is that gi training forces you to prioritise technique over strength; makes you a more technical nogi fighter. More about the mindset really.

I hear you Brad, we were all told that by the Brazilians. Check out these articles:

http://www.no-gi-grappling.com/no-gi-vs-gi.html

http://www.no-gi-grappling.com/no-gi-vs-gi-2.html

http://www.no-gi-grappling.com/no-gi.html

[Brad McLoughlin]

I hear that Brad, we were all told that by the Brazilians. Check out these articles:

http://www.no-gi-grappling.com/no-gi-vs-gi.html

http://www.no-gi-grappling.com/no-gi-vs-gi-2.html

http://www.no-gi-grappling.com/no-gi.html

Oh shit, not saying I buy it or anything. Just what I've heard.

[Jason Mallory]

Oh shit, not saying I buy it or anything. Just what I've heard.

Oh, oh... ok, gotcha. Give the articles a read anyway. There is some good stuff in there by Eddie.

[Brad McLoughlin]

Oh, oh... ok, gotcha. Give the articles a read anyway. There is some good stuff in there by Eddie.

Yeah, they're good, thanks for the links.

[Jason Mallory]

Yeah, they're good, thanks for the links.

Anytime.

[Richard Tran]

Renato is legit!

[Jay Chow]

It's sad at how much shit has been deleted off of this thread in order to cover up this obvious attempt to punk us... Why don't you guys give it up already? You're caught! It was a nice try but everyone knows now & deleting posts on a thread won't stop that. After all, we still have PMs & word of mouth via Facebook & other social networking devices... You all are just wasting time cuz everyone know that "Renato" is not real. Not trying to be rude or disrespectful in any way...

I think it's sad at how insulted you are that this stuff would go ahead? Like I've said with someone else, it's not the most likeable thing to be THAT guy that tries to expose things because you think it'll get you cool points. In England, we call these people "a grass".

Looks like you're gonna be getting a visit from Brick Top.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcqXpDwi5jQ&

[Nate Hollyfield]

Looks like you're gonna be getting a visit from Brick Top.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcqXpDwi5jQ&

I love that movie dude.

[lates85]

Since we're bringin old threads back, can we have Renatch back on this board please? or will he be too busy training cheick kongo?

[Joachim Hoff]

I bet he's insulted. Rashaan and Renato don't even look alike man.. Talk about disrespecting a blackbelt. As my instructor used to say: "Whitebelts should be seen, not heard"
I just do both, but it's my opinion that specific training gives specific results. Gi is pretty cool to learn though. Got a new Datsusara gi in the mail today.. black.. Like Renatos! :)

[john botello]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaOGpaFWSqE
Brandon, did you ever break down how Rickson demonstrated his armbar at the seminar ?

[Jason Mallory]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaOGpaFWSqE

Cool man, thanks for posting. I've been doing a similar thing that I call a 'Pop Armbar.' It's the same setup as the Pop Triangle from head and wrist control but instead of pushing the arm through your legs you pop his head in the opposite direction of your head and throw the leg over to finish the Triangle.

[Jason Mallory]

ooops... I meant finish the Armbar.

[Paul Wade]

Nice One.