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Hi, I am new here. I don't do 10th planet you jiu jitsu, I wish I could. I do the lockdown a lot and sweeps from there. I don't know why a lot of people talk down about 10th planet stuff. The positions from truck and lockdown has helped me a lot. I just wanna day I respect you guys styles and hope to learn more from it.
I meant 10th planet jiu jitsu not you jiu jitsu. Damn auto correct.
It's all a question of education. People raised with traditional BJJ, will likely develop "loyalty" to that system of thought. We are products of our environment; as well, we are creators of our environment. Acknowledgment of the current state of being, is a first step towards moving forward, breaking barriers, and becoming the real you.
10th Planet Jiu Jitsu might have more nogi techniques than most BJJ associations in the world. An average 10p blue belt is versed in deep half, spiral, DLR, X, single X, butterfly as well as 1/4, lockdown, twister, rubber, prison, & leg locks which most traditional BJJ academies stay clear away from. Plus all the crucial nogi basics are included in our warm up curriculum. Only out of ignorance would anyone disrespect the 10p style.
I am gonna have to get a memebership here. I wanna learn much as I can. When our Brown belt teaches he does rubber guard and lockdown stuff. I do the lockdown, deep half, 50/50 and i am only one that does Williams guard. My teacher though he does do the lockdown and 50-50. He said I don't care what you do aslong you get the basics, he tries to keep a open mind about it all. I don't know his view about rubber guard but he likes when I do the Williams guard. Which is call London in your system. Wish there was a school in louisville, Kentucky so I can learn it.
Welcome Mr. LegLockMike!
Loyalty is not mutually exclusive. Some guys, like myself, are highly loyal to our lineage but are on a quest to learn jiu jitsu to it's fullest and don't discount knowledge from whatever source. Since stumbling upon 10p, I've discovered completely different and unorthodox paths in my rolls that constantly throw off higher level guys from traditional schools. My leg lock game is heavily heavily influenced by 10p, in fact more than a few black belts have tapped to my top-side ashi (s/o to Nathan Orchard). Quarter guard/half-guard game, heavy 10p influence. I learned delariva and reverse delariva from traditional schools, but really smoothened it out and actually started catching people in the sweeps & taking backs once I visited Denny's school and he broke it down. And the truck. Ohhh the truck. The truck is my favorite position in jiu-jitsu, and I'm discovering new ways to enter it the more I train.Quote:
Originally Posted by julian moran
Way I see it: haters gonna hate, players gonna play.
Arman,
I agree that one's quest for knowledge should not be restricted by his/her roots. I am thus not sure why you quoted my response prior to posting your comment.
I will attempt to clarify myself in case I was misunderstood: The reason why people hate on the 10th planet system, is that it is contrary to what they were taught. It is a question of BJJ politics and heritage. By no means did I say that the hate is justified or should be of existence; but it does exist.
I am glad that you are finding to have some level of success with your 10th planet game. I am aware that benefits can derive from studying the 10th planet system. I would not be training in 10th planet jj, if I did not believe in it. In the past, I have also trained in traditional BJJ and other martial arts schools, some schools accepted my 10th planet influenced style, while others despised me for it. It is all a question of mentality, and often, as Eddie wrote earlier it is just a question of ignorance.
I didn't mean to be misinterpreted, Julian. I agreed with everything you said. I posted more as a way to express that I'm sure there are several out there that practice the 10p system even though they don't have a 10p lineage. Overall, you become a stronger grappler by applying the knowledge, not discounting it. Just wanted to give my 2 cents there
100% correct!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
If everyone loved the system as much as the 10 then the victories and achievements wouldn't be as sweet, the haters keep us driven and even more determine to display its effectiveness. Personally I have noticed a change in peoples attitudes since the launch of EBI and more recently after Geo's performance in ADCC, also the contributions from our UFC fighters representing in the octagon have been noticed! You can't stop progression!
Welcome Mike!!! I know your pain of not having a local Moon, I travel to the other side of Australia every two months to train with a Frank however I get as much 10P specific drilling and study in as I can at home and work, especially getting those Warmups down the best I can so that only little tweaks are needed instead of learning a whole series when I visit, that way I can make the most out of my trip!Quote:
Originally Posted by leglockmike
Maybe have a look where the closest moon is located and aim to get there once every month or so, before I started visiting Frank I was making a 4.5hr drive to train with a 10P Blue belt every second month for the weekend, from the improvements I had training with him I knew investing in a trip to train with a Brown Belt (now Black Belch) would be well worth it. That being said brother it is all about how much time you have, how much money your willing to invest into jiu jitsu and what your aims are:-) but already you're a cool dude and more open minded than some black belts so your on the right path! osssuuu
Thanks for the reply guys. I always have a open mind to jiu jitsu, you always have to learn new things to get better.
Hey mike, I'm actually from around that area. I train at tenth planet decatur currently and it's only about three hours from etown. You should come down for a visit if you get a chance. I'm pretty sure Nathan orchard will be in Louisville in December to do a seminar as well.
hey man, im in the same boat. I go to a traditional bjj mostly gi school but have been to two seminars in two years and love playing things like lockdown and truck transitions. Im in Cincinnati not close to any 10P schools (within 1.5hrs) and am just waiting for someone to open something closer. Hopefully this mts membership and more rolling will hold me over until then. good luck man!
Welcome leg lock Mike. I don't know if you know me but I trained in BG. I'll keep it a secret between us that you're here ;) I'm training at 10p O'Fallon now and its everything a man could ask for.
But if you're serious about learning 10p I suggest going and visiting 10p Richmond with Scott Elliot. I made the travel when I could and it was always an awesome experience. They even have a mystical mullet man that trains there. But Scotts been in the game for a long time now and knows his stuff. He can answer any questions you have.
When I started up there was kinda a constant hate for 10P that I ran into with a lot of traditional guys and it drove me up a wall. I didn't know shit about jiujitsu when I started, I wasn't a UFC fan, I actually started out with just thai boxing then tried BJJ and got hooked. After awhile though I got tired of hearing the whole '10P stuff doesn't work' thing and started looking into Eddie's stuff and it all made sense from a technical standpoint. Started playing a little bit of it then after meeting Geo and Boogey I got hooked, went to seminars with Eddie and Nathan Orchard and was 100% sold. Been catching tons of our guys in the truck now where they've had to adapt and they can't say 'it doesn't work' because I've proved a lot of people wrong just by studying sticking to it and figuring it out even when I was getting smashed.
Anyways, from being around a lot of guys that would knock it it's simple, they like the traditional aspect, they think the way Helio came up with things is the best way of doing them still and that the history is much more important, and in a lot of cases they haven't been exposed to a lot of things outside their own affiliation. If someone knocks the stuff show them it works, if it doesn't work fix it until it does and prove them wrong.