5.0 Sweep availability

For the 5.0 sweep, I noticed the MTS only has 1 segment in 1 episode devoted to it. Is it a minimal sweep (happens not that often)? Or it's a specialty move? Anyway, I ask because it's something I'm gonna devote time to study and want to make sure it's a significant move in the lockdown game and not a niche that only works for some people.

BTW, I just want to say that one of the pleasures in this new part of my jiu-jitsu training is the discovering the brilliance of the nomenclature. On my site, I'm going to write an article about the genius of Eddies' naming of the 10th planet moves. I'm a university professor of English and there's an incredible brilliance of how he "languages" complex moves into simple analogues. This is more at play here in 10th planet that sets it apart, and makes it uniquely American SoCal. (I do linguistics, too.) When he mentioned in the MTS to do the "double Heisman" it was crystal clear to what he was referring to. Same goes with 5.0.

The japanese and judo were very "analytic descriptive" osoto gari is literally large outside reap (motion). Brazilians sort of followed suit with that, although they gave room for "spider" and then origin of use/fame "kimura/de la riva." Here, perhaps following his song writing and music talent, there's a lot of mental work done to make sure even a ronin like me can easily grasp the complex move (or the intent of it) and it helps me come to you to ask for help.

Anyway, anything I should know about 5.0 that you discovered helped you?

It is amazing how the names just seem to give a sense of what transition, position or submission we're talking about. I definitely want to read your article when it's finished. Do you have a link to your website?
About the 5 0 sweep. I sometimes try it after a failed electric chair, but it's not my go to sweep. There's something in mts about the grip you use when getting his arm pinned to his back. To me, that made a significant difference. Your arm that goes around his back to hold his arm when you get it there, the palm of that hand has to be facing up, not down. Because otherwise he can pull his arm free more easily.
I hope that makes sense. Translating moves to words can be hard. Those names really come in handy. Just the name 5 0 sweep says a lot more about the move than what I just did.

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Originally Posted by Aiseop

BTW, I just want to say that one of the pleasures in this new part of my jiu-jitsu training is the discovering the brilliance of the nomenclature. On my site, I'm going to write an article about the genius of Eddies' naming of the 10th planet moves. I'm a university professor of English and there's an incredible brilliance of how he "languages" complex moves into simple analogues. This is more at play here in 10th planet that sets it apart, and makes it uniquely American SoCal. (I do linguistics, too.) When he mentioned in the MTS to do the "double Heisman" it was crystal clear to what he was referring to. Same goes with 5.0.

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(Parenthetically geeking out that someone else finds this interesting.

I'm a software engineer, and we're nuts for naming conventions. You have to get crazy good at naming things well because tomorrow you're going to write some more code and find yourself struggling to define what it is exactly you're dealing with. If you're not careful, the name you really need will be taken. Then you wind up arguing with people about names rather than writing code, renaming things, potentially breaking things because you renamed them.... So I find the naming conventions here fascinating too.

If you preface something with "electric" like "electric underhooks" it becomes clear what general position you're in. So, if I said "electric kimura" (which doesn't exist) you might think that someone had figured out how to hit a kimura when someone is vainly using their arm to try to stop the electric chair. ...which actually not be such a bad idea...hmm....

Or if I said "hindu sweep" you might have a general idea of what position you're in and what general circumstances are setting up the sweep. Maybe I'm doing something dangerous to block the hindulotine and it's leaving me open to be swept.)

Ok, I'll shut up now so someone can answer this dude's questions.

Maintaining the lockdown is critical in making it work. If you lose the lockdown, you are probably going to get monoplataed. Other than that, I think it is a strong sweep. I prefer the dog fight sweep and transitions, the electric chair, and the mechanic sweep, but I still hit the 5.0.

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Originally Posted by Ringo Lagrange

It is amazing how the names just seem to give a sense of what transition, position or submission we're talking about. I definitely want to read your article when it's finished. Do you have a link to your website?
About the 5 0 sweep. I sometimes try it after a failed electric chair, but it's not my go to sweep. There's something in mts about the grip you use when getting his arm pinned to his back. To me, that made a significant difference. Your arm that goes around his back to hold his arm when you get it there, the palm of that hand has to be facing up, not down. Because otherwise he can pull his arm free more easily.
I hope that makes sense. Translating moves to words can be hard. Those names really come in handy. Just the name 5 0 sweep says a lot more about the move than what I just did.

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The site is http://throughjiujitsu.com/

Thanks. I'll go back to the grip because Eddie did emphasize it along with the hand that "whacks" his posting hand away. Much appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Jon Watkins

Maintaining the lockdown is critical in making it work. If you lose the lockdown, you are probably going to get monoplataed. Other than that, I think it is a strong sweep. I prefer the dog fight sweep and transitions, the electric chair, and the mechanic sweep, but I still hit the 5.0.

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Hm. So is it risky? What options does he have to break the lockdown from there without giving up a sweep?

If your opponent is smooth and fast at breaking the lockdown the way Marcelo Garcia broke the lockdown against Eddie in their roll, you should be good at recountering their foot movements. Your deep underhook opposite your leg exposes you to a three quarter mount monoplata if your lockdown is stuffed so yes it can be risky if your lockdown retention is not stronger than your opponent's lockdown passing and they also know how to setup the monoplata.

Just saw that the MTS has actually a few more 5.0 sweeps but labeled as "Five O." The guide separates the 5.0 from Five O. I only saw 5.0 initially.

Another video on the 5.0 sweep:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1yd0t_P198

Thanks for the vid.

In our BJJ Lab and Open mat class today, I needed to do what the vid shows here in terms of the figure-4 onto his biceps (as opposed to what Eddie does in the 5.0 sweep MTS). The release of the lockdown after felt tricky. I couldn't find a way to stop being in their own half-guard today. Perhaps it was just being too conscious of my top than bottom.

Quick question, if they don't post strong with that outside hand/arm, and I can just scoop them over, is there a particular name given to that sweep? More advanced folk will know to be strong there but I noticed some people just let me scoop their hands in front of their chest (as opposed to the Five O behind their back) and get the sweep. Name for that?

I don't always hit this perfect version of the 5.0 sweep, but I am always looking to trap an arm behind your back regardless of the position we are in. If you are mounted on me and get too careless, I will try to trap your arm behind your back and bump and roll. Especially from half guard though, I'm always looking to trap the arm. Even if I don't get the sweep directly from it, it still causes you to think about it and defend while I'm already going elsewhere.

My main setup for the 5.0 grip is when they guy initially grips my wrist for the kimura. I shoot my arm(the one being grabbed) straight towards his open hip while simultaneously reaching around his back to connect my hands. I do this from half guard as well as lockdown and sometimes set it up from a more traditional half-guard and then work my way backwards to lockdown for the higher percentage sweep. I've been using this since I was a white belt because I was getting kimura'd a lot and then came upon that it was already in the system and have developed it a bit further. I use the kimura as bait for it all the time now.

I'm pretty sure there's video of me hitting it in a match a few years ago if what I wrote didn't make sense.

I grab the 5.0 grip from every position I can. Looking forward to seeing your write up.

Anybody else 5.0 the far arm from Whip Up rather than the near arm from Whip Down?

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Originally Posted by Dylan Ehrnreiter

I grab the 5.0 grip from every position I can. Looking forward to seeing your write up.

Anybody else 5.0 the far arm from Whip Up rather than the near arm from Whip Down?

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I definitely snatch it up from there too. I also grab it when the person turns and tries to twister pass.

Love the 5.0 sweep!! use it all the time!

My preference from Lockdown is either the Boa Sweep or Old School. I've found 5-0 presents itself most when I'm having trouble getting off my back and onto my side, especially when the top person is trying to kimura/Amerikana me from inside my Lockdown. If they go for my arm I try to switch it on them and isolate their arm so that I can then get onto my opposite side and execute the 5-0 sweep. That's just been my experience, I rarely ever purposely try to set it up.