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Does anyone know of a way to strengthen or help develop a strong "chin"? my dad told me to work on my neck muscles but i'm curious if anyone has any suggestions... I've been rocked pretty good a couple times in a short time and i'm looking for a way to prevent getting dazed by the lightest punches. This may be a crazy question but i am looking for good feedback please and thank you.
Im not much of a fighter but yeah your neck and traps. Shrugs and bridging. You could pull a car with a leather strap wrapped around your forehead.
THANK YOU. If you haven't seen the video of my most recent fight i was dropped by a straight right so i'm trying to prevent that in the future.
Get used to chin shots while sparring, use proper nose breathing while sparring or fighting (jaw clinched), and as mention by mike add all tht training into ur routine, and one most imprt one, traditional muay thai neck and jaw training, bite a thick towel with w8s attached and do vertical neck reps (make sure u r bitting 100%)
This will surely help bro. Regards
like Mike said neck and traps, wrestlers bridge's really are the way to go. I would strongly advice not to try conditioning your self by taking punches to the head you can not condition your brain, yes you have to get used to being hit, but this is achieved by sparring normally not by just letting someone punch you in the face.
Plus if your getting rocked a lot during sparring and fighting i would put money that the real problem is that your chin is not being tucked. If you chins up in the air when you get hit you head moves o lot more with the impact and that means your brain is being bounced of your skull a lot more
Hide your chin, and move your head. Neck exercises are a must. Yes, no's, maybe so's are good. Chew gum?
listen to death metal work hair spirals and if you don't believe me look up corpse grinder neck monster dude
Your dad is right. It's all in the neck. Do front and back bridges. Train both static holds and repetitions for strength. Eventually work your way up to no-hands.
Grow a beard.
Work on head movement so you don't get hit. The idea is to hit and not get hit. The "chin" you are speaking of isn't something that you can strengthen. If that was the case then no pro boxer/mma fighter would get knocked out. Now strengthening your neck and traps help but not solve it. It is also about composure when you get rocked. Some dudes are born with good chins but that doesn't last for ever. Protect your brain, it can't be replaced or fixed.
This works, Just ask andrei arlovskiQuote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
OK,OK, all good points, strong neck is always a plus. But, Brock Lesner has a monster neck and his chin is/was glass. This is way out there and some will freak out for me even saying it, but go easy on the sparring head shots. I read a study that repeated head blows actually makes you easier to knock out over time. I'll try and find the article. If you played football in High school you may be well on that road. It is fairly well accepted that your first concussion is the hardest to get. By the time you have had 3-4 it is pretty easy for you to get the next one.
That's what I thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Passini
The reason you get KO'd is from that neck snapping motion. Problem is, physics is against you because your neck won't be strong enough to withstand a legit punch that lands on the button. If genetics has blessed you, having a short neck and square jaw helps you a lot (think BJ Penn). Having a long neck and pointy chin makes you easier to knock out. Passini is right. Best to learn how to roll with punches. Getting dropped with a straight doesn't mean much about your chin. You just got hit on the button. Lotta guys get dropped with straights. Jonny Hendricks KO'd Kampmann with a straight. Strengthening your neck is good. But it's not a surefire way to avoid getting KO'd.
To be fair, Brock never got KO'd. He just doesn't like getting hit. His chin was fine. His heart wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg W
idk know if a chin can be strengthened but keeping your chin tucked and defence tight may help
It was my understanding that when you get knocked out what is happening is your jaw is pushed back far enough that it pinches a nerve shut and then you go unconcious.
If the muscles that hold your jaw in place are already weak i dont think there is anything you can do. Just make sure you keep your mouth shut and chin hidden.
If there was a way to strengthen it UFC fighters wouldnt get knoked out easy during the end of there career.
See Brock Lesnar vs Cain Velazquez for effectiveness of this method.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by tyler larsen
They say that this nerve is real but I asked Docs, and my A&P Professors when I was in college entering the Medical field, and all said this is a not true. This is how you can break your jaw without getting knocked out. I think it has more to do with the brain stem than other things. Plus the human body has fail safes in place to keep you alive(getting knocked out, blood leaving the extremities to keep vital organs from failing, etc). I'm no expert but seems plausible to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Brick
Ask John Mejia, I thinks he has been in over a hundred Hockey fights and hasn't ever gone out, and has put many fools to sleep.
The best way to put it, is not to get hit, especially flush on the "Button". I've been punched in the face tons bareknuckles, with gloves, and the one thing that holds true is taking a glancing blow is better than taking a full on powerhand to the face. I have never been KO'd (Knock on wood) but I can probably attribute that to my wonderfully thick skull, and my Cro-Magnon like facial structure... lol In your case I would work tons and tons of head movement and keep you hands up and chin tucked. :)
Thank you everyone for replying. Now that people bring it up, i don't think i have had my chin tucked most of the times i got rocked, and i can't remember if i keep my jaw clenched which is a sign that i probably don't. This is all very helpful and i hope that i will remember to do all these things when it matters most in the cage. As for the beard i might just be out of luck for awhile on that detail lol :p I'll post my fight video (along with all my teammates who fought on the same card) on a new thread. Thanks again everyone!!
...have you talked to your striking coach about this? You do have a striking coach, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshGriest
Your brain is floating in fluid and has serious mass. A blow to the head moves your skull and slams it into your brain that is sitting still. Your brain mass moving into a punch is really bad. Think about an unbuckled person in a car that gets head on collision and the windshield is your skull. If you start your brain moving in the same direction as the punch, even a little bit, it will lesson the impact. Thus, the legitamacy behind the move your head, don't get hit comments.
Mayo clinic website:
Your brain has the consistency of gelatin. It's cushioned from everyday jolts and bumps by the cerebrospinal fluid that it floats in, inside your skull. A violent blow to your head and neck or upper body can cause your brain to slide back and forth forcefully against the inner wall of your skull. Sudden acceleration or deceleration of the head — resulting from events such as a car crash or being violently shaken (shaken baby syndrome) — also can cause brain injury.
I have multiple coaches with backgrounds in striking, however i haven't seen them since my fight saturday, and my dad brought this up to me over the weekend. I thought i'd ask you guys and hope to learn some things.
I just read par tof the thread, not the whole thing, so this might be a repeat.
It is the jarring of the brain that knocks guys out with chin shots. When you take a shot to the chin, your head rocks back, but the front of your face drops and the back of your head rotates upwards, as if you are trying to look at your toes.
Your brain is getting shaken around inside your head and the jarring is what makes the lights go out. If you strengthen your neck, your stronger neck will help dampen the jarring motion, and while it may not eliminate it entirely, it will help immensely.
Regarding Brock, he has likely sustained more shots to the head than we could ever fathom, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was more suseptable to knock out shots because of his history, but with a guy like you who hasn't been beaten on for 20 years straight, if you stengthen your neck you should be in good shape.
Most importantly, it sounds like you are not focusing on your hand defence enough, and your slip defence. Like someone else mentioned already, the goal is to NOT get hit.
thanks for posting this, I was going to, but probably wouldn't have done it as well. I was told this when I was first learning to box a long time ago. when I asked the head instructor why some guys go down easier than others (all sparred several times a week) he said not everyone is the same, different brain size/head size/fluid amounts in the head. he explained about the brain slamming int the skull. Like almost everything else in sports, genetics plays a role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg W
The original question was basically asking if there was a way to help not get knocked down/out, obviously you cant fix the thickness of your skull, fluid in your skull, pointyness of your actual chin....but if you can strengthen your neck and traps, work on head movement, bite that mouthpiece, and tuck your chin not every guy you fight will feel like Junior Dos Santos when he punches you ;)
They say John Meija is the only guy to take off his skate and try and stab someone a movie was later made after his true life story haven't seen it though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Passini
Use the third option...pull guard and avoid the strikes! :D
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Dewitt Jr
Well it's not just about being strong enough. It's really about getting more experience. The better you get the more you are able to recognize what's coming at you and brace yourself to take the shot. Having good footwork is also important so that you are balanced properly to absorb the blow.