MMA vs The Stomp

My neice had a fight over the weekend, she has a really good half guard overhook game transition to butters, rubber guard etc. However we did not realize how dangerous it can be to get tunnel vision and stay too long in the overhook position trying to stomp. While she was setting up her stomp, she was getting pummelled. We trained not to use the pimp hand as it inhibits your ability to block their free hand, but she was still unable to stop the onslaught. She was able to get to safety of the rubber guard/ butterflies, but not without sustaining some damage. And although she was able to put up some great sub attempts, she lost by submission. We are going to start working her underhook game in some more so she does not get tunnel vision again, but is there a way to improve the stomp to minimize damage?

In my opinion, you should be able to at the very least get a weak super stomp while completely clinched and then mermaid if need be. If I'm in half guard or closed guard I am always looking for the clinch and never letting go once I have it. Jaws of life and whip down to pdu, with a great lockdown game, are essential to have a complete clinch game. You have to be able to transition between guards. Also, it's incredibly important to have a good prison guard too to complement your lockdown.

In my opinion, lockdown is the corner stone of the clinch game. Trying to rely soley on rubber guard without some game in lockdown is not desirable, in my opinion.

Do you have video?

I can't think of how she'd get hit while going for the stomp.

Have someone on top of you in half guard and try not to get hit, not easy. (with an overhook, your other hand is either pimping or blocking shots, take your pick) I was blind to it also.

I know that having an underhook game is vital, I am just trying to salvage the overhook game.

Hellllllppppp!!!! Abort Abort Abort!!!!!!! help please!!!

Unfortunately, video might be required for more feedback. She very well could have been making a mistake that could be fixed and there's no way for us to see that. What was she doing with the free hand because you said she wasn't "pimp arm"ing? Was she following the bicep or something else?

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Originally Posted by Dwight Roux

Have someone on top of you in half guard and try not to get hit, not easy. (with an overhook, your other hand is either pimping or blocking shots, take your pick) I was blind to it also.

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You said she was getting pummeled. I can see arm punches, but I can't think of how I'd get pummeled when going for the stomp.

So the way I'm picturing this, the guy on top has me flattened out with head and arm control, so I start working for the stomp. As long as he has head and arm, I'm safe. Can't punch me from head and arm because your hands are occupied maintaining head and arm. The moment he lets go of head and arm, I have a window to go straight to double unders. I'm thinking I can even dive for the electric chair position with a pimp hand in their armpit. But if I'm getting punched, I don't see a need for the stomp at all.

The stomp is a back up plan for when the person on top won't let go of head and arm. The moment they start punching, they let go of it. Pummel to double unders and work from there.

Does that help? Or am I picturing this wrong?

Just do a head and arm control from the bottom. Stay clinched. Go super stomp instead and don't even bother with the pimp arm. Secure the over hook after getting to super stomp.

Or, since it's mma, just use the stomp hook to sweep: get the far side over hook and use the stomp hook to lift towards the far side over hook. Super easy to do if they have all their weight on you as usually happens in half guard AND it sets you up for some sweet mono control/gogo clinch/upside down rubber guard.

But my biggest suggestion is to stay completely clinched, at all times. Clinch = limited punches

To improve the stomp to avoid damage I'm guessing you can move your head to the overhook side. Or use the underhooking arm pull yourself tight to the opponent's shoulder and keep your chin on their shoulder, facing their ear. Basically just put your head/face in a place where they can't reach. Not sure if it's legal, but you can also dig your chin into their collarbone. That's some CACC pain compliance type stuff, but pain compliance can get guys to open up.

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Originally Posted by David Rosado

You said she was getting pummeled. I can see arm punches, but I can't think of how I'd get pummeled when going for the stomp.

So the way I'm picturing this, the guy on top has me flattened out with head and arm control, so I start working for the stomp. As long as he has head and arm, I'm safe. Can't punch me from head and arm because your hands are occupied maintaining head and arm. The moment he lets go of head and arm, I have a window to go straight to double unders. I'm thinking I can even dive for the electric chair position with a pimp hand in their armpit. But if I'm getting punched, I don't see a need for the stomp at all.

The stomp is a back up plan for when the person on top won't let go of head and arm. The moment they start punching, they let go of it. Pummel to double unders and work from there.

Does that help? Or am I picturing this wrong?

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Good points

Misbehave with that lockdown. Don't just lie there stretching it out, whip that leg back and forth to open the opponent up. If she's getting 'pummelled' there should be plenty of room to move.

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Originally Posted by Dylan Ehrnreiter

Misbehave with that lockdown. Don't just lie there stretching it out, whip that leg back and forth to open the opponent up. If she's getting 'pummelled' there should be plenty of room to move.

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Hahaha :D

Whip it good.

maybe tilting them with the overhook will help? since they have to base out with the hand they punch with. but im just a nub lol

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Originally Posted by David Rosado

You said she was getting pummeled. I can see arm punches, but I can't think of how I'd get pummeled when going for the stomp.

So the way I'm picturing this, the guy on top has me flattened out with head and arm control, so I start working for the stomp. As long as he has head and arm, I'm safe. Can't punch me from head and arm because your hands are occupied maintaining head and arm. The moment he lets go of head and arm, I have a window to go straight to double unders. I'm thinking I can even dive for the electric chair position with a pimp hand in their armpit. But if I'm getting punched, I don't see a need for the stomp at all.

The stomp is a back up plan for when the person on top won't let go of head and arm. The moment they start punching, they let go of it. Pummel to double unders and work from there.

Does that help? Or am I picturing this wrong?

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This also. lol

Throw up some video and we will help where we can.

Will do, I am going to buy it on gfl (go fight live) and will copy and put a link up.

Ive got access to GoFightLive subscription. Let me know her name and I could download the video and post it here, if you dont want to pay for the subscription.

Seen at least 3 people getting stuck on half guard bottom against the cage in the past 2 or 3 weeks and have been collecting information on it. Im very curious to see what happened in this situation. Definitely have to see the video to get a clear picture. There might be a number of options she had that are not so easy to see. Little details :)

I bought it, but if you could post it that be awsome! I am not that great at putting vids up. Lynell House vs erin macdougall. Ritc 50. Tx

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Originally Posted by Dwight Roux

I bought it, but if you could post it that be awsome! I am not that great at putting vids up. Lynell House vs erin macdougall. Ritc 50. Tx

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Says I have to buy it. Thought it would be free

Will put up a link today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTvK3IBZra4


Here it is, thanks for all your input. :)

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Originally Posted by Dwight Roux

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTvK3IBZra4


Here it is, thanks for all your input. :)

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Skip to 6:50 for those who want to review.

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Originally Posted by Dwight Roux

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTvK3IBZra4


Here it is, thanks for all your input. :)

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IMO, Rubber guard against the fence is super limited. Even boogie had a tough go when he was pushed against it.

However, Just cuz you have your BF Hooks in doesn't mean you're working a sweep or changing the distance, She initially had her BF Hooks in, she needs to use those to disrupt the base. She stayed in that Stomp position too long IMO. If you're going to stomp, you need to get both BF Hooks in and make space or immediately sweep. If you're going to play RG from BF Guard/New Jersey you have to clear the head quick and make moves. Luckily the punches she ate weren't devastating, but she didn't control the distance well if that makes sense.

From a self defense aspect, you're either clinching or making ridiculous amounts of space to where you off balance your opponent so you can escape. The same principle applies in MMA.

However this is only my opinion***