Denny's 10 Finger Guillotine Choke

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08-19-2010, 09:34 AM
Neale Hoerle

Denny's 10 Finger Guillotine Choke

Im a fan. Its incredibly versitile. Anyone else having success/ failure?
08-19-2010, 09:50 AM
Shawn Arnold

Its made a huge difference in my game. I don't even worry if they are defending well anymore, I just switch my grip and get the tap! Denny has also got me to use that grip with my NS chokes and its made a big difference.
08-19-2010, 12:11 PM
Dennis Martinez

i like Dennys 10 finger but i also use Marcelos alot now he takes elbow and puts it on a persons back its sick 3 second choke
08-19-2010, 12:16 PM
Kevin Gibbs

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis Martinez

i like Dennys 10 finger but i also use Marcelos alot now he takes elbow and puts it on a persons back its sick 3 second choke

you can and should be doing that as well with the 10 finger if you can get it, makes it super tight and very hard to defend. Also 10 finger with arm in is a killer.
08-19-2010, 12:18 PM
NelsonLucca

I've got to drill it. It looks effective, haven't had a chance to play yet : )
08-19-2010, 12:34 PM
Neale Hoerle

Nail on head Nelson... Rep Rep Rep and more reps. I just switched over a few days ago and I'm still tweeking. I prefer hip bump, guillotine, butterfly mount at this point but I looking for other avenues as well ;)
08-19-2010, 01:17 PM
Scott Elkin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis Martinez

i like Dennys 10 finger but i also use Marcelos alot now he takes elbow and puts it on a persons back its sick 3 second choke

vid?
08-19-2010, 01:28 PM
Jon Watkins

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Elkin

vid?

MTS Episode 8
08-19-2010, 02:20 PM
Mike Nall

I'm going to stay open minded and give it a shot, esppecially from the failed hip bump sweep. BUT, I have gotten very, very good at Marcelo's Guillotine, and right now that one is a bear trap for me. I never thought I would get any choke more than the Darce and the RNC, but right now I'm getting countless Marcelo/hip-drop/elbow-flare Guillotines. In my opinion it's the best way to Guillotine someone, because you can finish it from your back, half-guard, side control, and the mount, and flow pretty easily between the positions.

I am going to give Denny's a strong shot though. You can never have enough ways to choke people. ;)
08-19-2010, 03:16 PM
Mick Broster

looks real tight i'm going to have to have a play with this grip
08-19-2010, 05:09 PM
Dennis Martinez

ill record a video of me doing it Marcelos way and post it up cant post any of the Videos from MGinAction on here, dont know how it works
08-19-2010, 05:17 PM
Brian Beaumont AKA Thor

Denny introduced me to it about a year ago. It took some reps to deprogram the old way of doing it but its the only way I'm teaching my students now. Hip bump to Dennys killatine (that's what we've nick named it) to 100% works real good to.
08-19-2010, 05:51 PM
Neale Hoerle

Rep it up... I'm still having some growing pains with it but I'll get it hammered down shortly ;)
08-19-2010, 06:37 PM
Jason Eisner

I've never been good at guillotines and now, I can actually hit them sometimes. Thanks Denny!
08-19-2010, 07:08 PM
CoryBrister

It works for me, i switch to this grip specifically for arm-in guillotines
08-22-2010, 05:29 PM
Dennis Martinez

ill be recording the marcelo version tomorrow guys i was camping all weekend so ill get it up asap...
08-22-2010, 07:25 PM
Bobby Jacobsen

I can't even remember the last time I finished a guillotine. I saw a video of Garcia completely owning high level guys with it. I need to rethink adding it back to the game. Such a simple move yet so versatile.
08-23-2010, 11:37 AM
Dennis Martinez

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteMike2k9

The same Guillotine he hit on Kron Gracie is at 1:27. The final sub at the end of the video is absolutely brutal!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30Ujz5sCS3k

The choke he pulls off at around 28seconds is the guillotine we have been talking about, see how he puts his elbow on the shoulder and back.
08-23-2010, 03:46 PM
Mike Nall

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis Martinez

The choke he pulls off at around 28seconds is the guillotine we have been talking about, see how he puts his elbow on the shoulder and back.

Here is a great free version of the Marcelo Guillotine, straight from Matt Arroyo after a private lesson with Marcelo Garcia. If you want to see Garcia do this in rolling and matches, look in the Marcelo thread and watch the 2nd and 3rd video of the rolling session with Ryan Hall, where he hits at least 4 or 5. The matches with George Sotiropoulos, Mike Fowler, the video called "Marcelinho", Jake Shields, Kron Gracie in a HL, K-Taro Nakamura, "Marcelo Garcia Training", and the Ben Askren rolling clip.

You can also read the write up at MGinaction that I did about the Marcelo Guillotine in that thread.

On to the choke: (you can't see the puke. It's not gross.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG1vZUY7AC0
08-23-2010, 05:30 PM
Mike Nall

Ttt
08-24-2010, 06:49 AM
John Roderick

I have to play with the specifics this week. I have a variation that I picked up watching Marcelo videos where I place the elbow up as Neale mentioned, but I use my forearm/back of the hand to twist/wrench/compress the jaw/neck as well as get the strangle (it's more appropriate to say "strangle" as it's a blood flow sub, not a wind/air sub :) ). This makes it PAINFUL as well as cuts off the blood. I get a 2 or 3 second sub using this, and I nail it from half guard, full, Prison Guard, and the failed hip bump. I basically modified a catch technique. I have to video it.
09-15-2010, 12:05 PM
Mike Dewitt Jr

Is there a name for the grip Denny uses? I was thinking of calling it over the top grip. For some reason the Stallone arm wrestling movie popped up in my thought process while working it yesterday....
09-15-2010, 12:38 PM
Brandon Mccaghren

ttt
09-15-2010, 12:46 PM
Jason Hyatt

I saw a vid of Kenny Florian demonstrating something similar quite a while back but for the life of me I can't find it now. I'll keep looking. I just learned the grip right before I went out with surgery so I haven't had the chance to try it out yet. I'm excited about it though!
09-15-2010, 12:55 PM
Mick Broster

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Dewitt Jr

Is there a name for the grip Denny uses? I was thinking of calling it over the top grip. For some reason the Stallone arm wrestling movie popped up in my thought process while working it yesterday....

I've been calling the Denny grip since he was the guy i got it from, and have been having a lot of success with it
09-15-2010, 01:23 PM
Josh Smith

there needs to be a very slow youtube vid made on exactly how to position your hand cuz it explained way too fast for me to get it...
09-15-2010, 01:30 PM
Mike Dewitt Jr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh Smith

there needs to be a very slow youtube vid made on exactly how to position your hand cuz it explained way too fast for me to get it...

Denny's or marcelo's?
09-15-2010, 02:44 PM
Josh Smith

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Dewitt Jr

Denny's or marcelo's?

Denny's
09-15-2010, 02:50 PM
Jason Eisner

It's awesome. I suck at guillotines and now I hit them all the time.
09-15-2010, 03:10 PM
Mike Dewitt Jr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh Smith

Denny's

Imagine grabbing the blade edge of your hand (pinky side) then reach all the way around, so you have an upside down gable grip sort of, so the choking wrist is palm towards your opponent and the back of your hand is facing your chest. Your non choking arm goes up to 12 o'clock elbow pointing to the sky and your choking elbow goes down to 6 o'clock.

Make sense?
09-15-2010, 05:44 PM
JonScottND

Denny showed us the guilotine at a seminar in Omaha at Derek Stewarts 10th Planet School. We brought it back and showed a couple of the guys at our gym the 10 finger and one of our boys ended up taking it to Naga in colorado and using it during his absolute matches. He literally buckled the guy at his knees, as if someone knocked the wind out of him. He ended up going on to win the absolute and was very thankful for having it at his disposal.
11-18-2011, 10:16 AM
Liquidrob

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Dewitt Jr

Imagine grabbing the blade edge of your hand (pinky side) then reach all the way around, so you have an upside down gable grip sort of, so the choking wrist is palm towards your opponent and the back of your hand is facing your chest. Your non choking arm goes up to 12 o'clock elbow pointing to the sky and your choking elbow goes down to 6 o'clock.

Make sense?

Is it the same grip caio terre uses?

Thanks
11-18-2011, 11:21 AM
Liquidrob

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Dewitt Jr

Imagine grabbing the blade edge of your hand (pinky side) then reach all the way around, so you have an upside down gable grip sort of, so the choking wrist is palm towards your opponent and the back of your hand is facing your chest. Your non choking arm goes up to 12 o'clock elbow pointing to the sky and your choking elbow goes down to 6 o'clock.

Make sense?

Is it the same grip that caio terra uses?

thanks
11-19-2011, 09:55 AM
Liquidrob

caio terra grip for reference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y2lOIIDXAo
11-19-2011, 10:27 PM
James Fazzolari

guillotine variations are the best.
11-19-2011, 10:28 PM
David Stager

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liquidrob

Is it the same grip that caio terra uses?

thanks

Yes
11-20-2011, 11:32 AM
Mike Nall

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liquidrob

Is it the same grip caio terre uses?

Thanks

yes it is
11-20-2011, 11:49 AM
Liquidrob

thanks
11-20-2011, 12:55 PM
James Steele

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30Ujz5sCS3k&feature=player_embedded#!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis Martinez

The choke he pulls off at around 28seconds is the guillotine we have been talking about, see how he puts his elbow on the shoulder and back.

The final sub in that video is indeed brutal - it scared me almost as much as that scene in the Watchmen right at the start where Ozymandias fights the Comedian, and the Comedian fails to land a single hit on him.

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