Disrespect from Local Bjj instructor

hey guys,
Been a while since i shared a story so i thought u guys would get a kick out of this shit. So recently i was awarded my Blue belt from Eddie Bravo. I live in a small town in Alaska Called Fairbanks. I train at a gym Called Frostbite Valetudo who is taught by a Marcelo Alonso brown belt. We will call him, "Jeff".

So on Friday I attended a Marcelo Alonso seminar because i train at this gym. After the seminar Marcelo pulls me to the side and begins to ask me ?'s about where i learned Bjj and who i am ranked under. I explained to him that I was ranked under Eddie Bravo. He tells me that I am doing a great job and I should keep it up.

The next day i run into a buddy of mine who trains with me and is a blue belt under Marcelo, He tells me that the brown belt coach at the gym i train at (who i twister-ed while rolling about a week ago, made me happy) after i talked to Marcelo was talking shit saying that I shouldn't be a blue belt and that none of the 10th planet shit works on him or his students ever. he also when i roll with his students coaches the guys i roll with to get out of my pussy 10th planet guard and work there game.

I pay gym dues at this gym, I have been nothing but nice to this dude, who is actually dating my sister, and everyone else in the gym loves me. I don't understand how someone could be so disrespectful to me and the system i love. I will continue to use "Pussy 10th planet moves" to tap him and his students.

I am also going to be documenting all of this bullshit i go through at the gym on video and making a monthly episode of the highlights.

hehe get used to it!! There´s always going to be people who dislike what we do and thats goooodg, because it makes us better and sharper. When you have a sensei who thinks this is "Right" and that is "wrong"...you know for sure his perception of jiu jitsu is very limited.

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Originally Posted by Magnus Hansson

When you have a sensei who thinks this is "Right" and that is "wrong"...you know for sure his perception of jiu jitsu is very limited.

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I agree!

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Originally Posted by Magnus Hansson

hehe get used to it!!

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Yea +1. The nice guys will tell you how they don't like Eddies music while some will openly talk shit about the system. Just be polite and keep repping. More people will get interested in it (that's why happened @ my gym). You shouldn't start teaching Twisters during official classes, but if it's open mat and someone wants to know more about the hubber guartch, show him what it's about. Soon you won't be alove repping 10 in your gym.

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Originally Posted by Gerrit Butler

I have been nothing but nice to this dude, who is actually dating my sister,

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Go on.... :D

It's all part of the same game. I wish more people were willing to accept that there are tons of ways to do things. Jiu Jitsu will never keep growing if people close their eyes to new things. Kill em' with kindness man and keep your head high knowing that you are going to prevail with your coolness and openness.

It's always annoying when someone gossips behind your back. There are always men who are not say something directly in your face. We call them in dutch klootzakken ( asshole) :D Just let it go it's not the end of the world .

i used to own a school about 13 yrs ago in seattle and marcelo was my business partner. i could tell you lots of things about marcelo, but it was so long ago i am going to leave it in the past.

what i will say is he is a very traditional carlson gracie black belt dedicated to carlsons system and doesnt like change.

i am surprised he didnt say you cant train there if you are training at 10th planet.

you should just train 10pjj on your own and practice it while rolling in class.

back then i would do different moves from catch wrestling and marcelo would get mad and say thats grosso (which means rough with no technique) and thats not jiu jitsu.

dont be surprised if you are told you cant use those techniques in class or you will have to go to a different school.

good luck

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Originally Posted by Gerrit Butler

hey guys,
Been a while since i shared a story so i thought u guys would get a kick out of this shit. So recently i was awarded my Blue belt from Eddie Bravo. I live in a small town in Alaska Called Fairbanks. I train at a gym Called Frostbite Valetudo who is taught by a Marcelo Alonso brown belt. We will call him, "Jeff".

So on Friday I attended a Marcelo Alonso seminar because i train at this gym. After the seminar Marcelo pulls me to the side and begins to ask me ?'s about where i learned Bjj and who i am ranked under. I explained to him that I was ranked under Eddie Bravo. He tells me that I am doing a great job and I should keep it up.

The next day i run into a buddy of mine who trains with me and is a blue belt under Marcelo, He tells me that the brown belt coach at the gym i train at (who i twister-ed while rolling about a week ago, made me happy) after i talked to Marcelo was talking shit saying that I shouldn't be a blue belt and that none of the 10th planet shit works on him or his students ever. he also when i roll with his students coaches the guys i roll with to get out of my pussy 10th planet guard and work there game.

I pay gym dues at this gym, I have been nothing but nice to this dude, who is actually dating my sister, and everyone else in the gym loves me. I don't understand how someone could be so disrespectful to me and the system i love. I will continue to use "Pussy 10th planet moves" to tap him and his students.

I am also going to be documenting all of this bullshit i go through at the gym on video and making a monthly episode of the highlights.

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Grats on the blue. I don't think I even remember seeing when you got promoted. Props bro. I know that joint means a lot to you.

On the subject, it sure sucks to be in that kind of situation. From my experience, when a guy does that, it's because they're insecure. It's possible that he's afraid of losing his influence on his students. Just kill him with kindness. I'm sure you already are. Just keep being an attentive student and show him that his instruction is still valuable to you and the crew even if you are learning the 10th planet system.

Or maybe have a talk with him and let him know straight up. Like, "hey coach, I value your instruction but I also enjoy the 10th planet system's creativity and that's another way I like to express myself and get better. It doesn't mean your instruction is better or worse. It just means this is part of my journey." I mean, he really shouldn't get mad. Ask him who his favorite BJJ guys are. And when he tells you, ask him if he'd be offended if you bought some instructional videos and learned from them. Most likely he'll say no, he wouldn't be offended. So it shouldn't be any different with you earning your stripes for 10th planet.

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Originally Posted by ohio2berlin

It's all part of the same game. I wish more people were willing to accept that there are tons of ways to do things. Jiu Jitsu will never keep growing if people close their eyes to new things. Kill em' with kindness man and keep your head high knowing that you are going to prevail with your coolness and openness.

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Well said.

Im not saying its the best approach by your coach by any means. Obviously you need to be open minded if you want to keep up with the times/keep improving. But I can see where he's coming from. If he's teaching a Bjj school, and not 10th planet, its obviously because thats what hes trained in, and believes it to be the most effective. So Im sure he probably doesnt want someone coming in with a new style (that he believes isnt as effective), beating his students and making them question if thats the gym they should really be training at when theres something better out there. So when you pull rubberguard, Or he see's you working lockdown, expect him to help the other kids instead of you to reassure them that they are in the right place to learn.

Remember, not everyone has an understanding of 10th planet like you do. A lot of bjj guys (especially ones who have spent years dedicated to the art) see it as a gimmick because of things theyve heard. They arent just going to believe that someone came up with a new no-gi method that is superior to what theyve been spending years learning/perfecting. You have to expect its going to take time. The good news is, This is going to be great for your game. If he's teaching them ways to escape, that means you are going to have to tighten your game and make improvements. I wouldnt take offense to it at all. Just look at it like this, say you had a 10th planet school, and a new student came in who studied japanese jiujitsu and was beating your students with it because they kept missing key elements/fundamentals of their game. You wouldnt coach the JJ guy, you would make sure to tell your students what to do to prevent them from losing, so they could understand that the principals you teach them DO in fact work. (however, it still might be a good idea to learn the techniques that you werent familiar with from the JapJJ guy to improve your game/understanding.. But thats neither here nor there)

We should really see pics of the sister in order to further advise.

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Originally Posted by Gerrit Butler

hey guys,
Been a while since i shared a story so i thought u guys would get a kick out of this shit. So recently i was awarded my Blue belt from Eddie Bravo. I live in a small town in Alaska Called Fairbanks. I train at a gym Called Frostbite Valetudo who is taught by a Marcelo Alonso brown belt. We will call him, "Jeff".

So on Friday I attended a Marcelo Alonso seminar because i train at this gym. After the seminar Marcelo pulls me to the side and begins to ask me ?'s about where i learned Bjj and who i am ranked under. I explained to him that I was ranked under Eddie Bravo. He tells me that I am doing a great job and I should keep it up.

The next day i run into a buddy of mine who trains with me and is a blue belt under Marcelo, He tells me that the brown belt coach at the gym i train at (who i twister-ed while rolling about a week ago, made me happy) after i talked to Marcelo was talking shit saying that I shouldn't be a blue belt and that none of the 10th planet shit works on him or his students ever. he also when i roll with his students coaches the guys i roll with to get out of my pussy 10th planet guard and work there game.

I pay gym dues at this gym, I have been nothing but nice to this dude, who is actually dating my sister, and everyone else in the gym loves me. I don't understand how someone could be so disrespectful to me and the system i love. I will continue to use "Pussy 10th planet moves" to tap him and his students.

I am also going to be documenting all of this bullshit i go through at the gym on video and making a monthly episode of the highlights.

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It comes with the territory. They talk shit cause they are scared. In time things will disappear and people will get used to it. Keep doing your shit and your skills will do the talking for you. Keep repping and congrats on your blue.

I had a similar situation where one of our head instructors was constantly coaching guys against me any time I'd pull RG or lockdown. It used to piss me off to no end, but I realized after a year of this shit that all it was REALLY doing was making me better. My guard and half guard are where I really shine now and I owe it all to him.

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Originally Posted by Chris Garry

We should really see pics of the sister in order to further advise.

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+2

I also train under a Marcelo Alonso Brown Belt here in New Hamphshire. Fortunately, he's been nothing but supportive of my use of the 10th planet system. He says a person should play to their strengths and that a guy with good leg dexterity should utilize the lockdown game. If I want to play the rubber guard game, even better, more tools in my arsenal. He even taught me a twister setup from a arm triangle inside someone's halfguard.

I'll ask my instructor if he know's your "Jeff".

The funny thing about all the hate! Is Eddie is a 2nd degree Black Belt under Jean Jacques Machado!!! One of (if not top two) the most respected Instructor in the world!!! Who's their instructor? It makes me laugh!

Jean Jacques........mother fuckers!!!

It's ridiculous dude, if a 10th Planet White Belt with one month of experience loses in a tournament, then 10TH PLANET JJ SUCKS and DOESN'T WORK... its a crock of crap. If you don't know/learn/work on 10th planet techniques then you are gonna fall behind.

That same dude that bad mouthed you is gonna get pwned with some 10th Planet Technique down the road.

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Originally Posted by rickdawson

It's ridiculous dude, if a 10th Planet White Belt with one month of experience loses in a tournament, then 10TH PLANET JJ SUCKS and DOESN'T WORK... its a crock of crap. If you don't know/learn/work on 10th planet techniques then you are gonna fall behind.

That same dude that bad mouthed you is gonna get pwned with some 10th Planet Technique down the road.

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Seriously. It's such an illogical statement fueled by just straight ignorant hate. If losing in a tourney shows the ineffectiveness of a system, then BJJ doesn't work since BJJ gets beat often. The proof is there. 10th planet works. The rest is up to the practitioner. A good style doesn't automatically equal success.

There is only one way to handle this situation. Alpha him. If he was just some asshole instructor I'd say "typical, ignore it". Not this time, and here is why...

He's dating your sister. I rest my case.

You have to beat his ass. There is no other way. If not he will potentially disrespect you for the rest of your life. You have to settle it with him. Don't let yourself get bullied. Just scrap it out. Win or lose, he will stop singling you out.

my son Rion has trained with many different brown and black belt bjj instructors

they dont even know 10th planet moves, they dont even know how to coach him when he is using 10th planet moves

that is why they bad mouth it and coach against it, because it is stuff they dont even know themselves

if there bjj instructor taught them rubber guard, twister etc as they were coming up in the ranks then it wouldnt be a issue, but because there instructor didnt know the moves and they were never taught the moves then it must not work

i say learn from everyone, everything you can, use what you like and throw away what you dont like

"make it your own" thats jiu jitsu

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Originally Posted by Ron Almeida

i say learn from everyone, everything you can, use what you like and throw away what you dont like

"make it your own" thats jiu jitsu

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This is my philosophy.

Alot of what u guys are saying is exactly how i treat the situation. I am just being as nice to this dude as i can. I think the only reason he allows me to train at the gym is because he is dating my sister. But whatever he is a douche, but he also runs the ONLY bjj school in Fairbanks. Which limits my options. I will be moving hopefully soon and I am going to make a living with Jiu jitsu. I want to be world champion and I want to make this my career not only for me but for my family and the system i love.

Gerrit, your handling this with class, let the cunts of the world act like cunts... and then let society inevitably FUCK them. Pretty soon, another school will open up in your area, by a guy who is not a total douche and it will shut him out of business... hell it might be your school for all you know. Just keep training and just avoid him wherever possible... the universe has its way of dealing with people like this.

I will open a school! i will! I have been in love with Jiu jitsu and the Systemfor to long to not open a school. I work my ass off so i can make my dream come true.

Anchorage would be your best bet I'm sure there you could have success! Unless your leaving for the lower 48! Goodluck in your quest.

I would have to agree with my brother, depending on how long this "relationship" with your sister has been going on or plans to go on. If it looks like this "bag of douche" will be in your life for a long period of time you will have to alpha him at some point. Unless he is only a dick in the gym, but if he gets all douchy at family events you may have to slap a mean heel hook on him.

Funny thing is he may be a brown belt, but the dude doesn't compete because he doesn't want to loose in front of his students. And i am very competitive. Every time i have rolled with him i end up tapping him and he blames it on different excuses every time because he has the biggest ego ever and doesn't want to look bad.

The thing I like about 10th planet is that there is no official 10th planet moves. The 10th planet system is a system of moves, setups and submissions that works no matter who came up with it. If "Jeff" understood that he would be more open not only to 10th planet but to the new inovators of Jiu Jitsu instead of being stuck in the Gracie system of over 50 years ago. Don't get me wrong though, as white belts we have to start at the basics if we are going to really evolve to quality jiu jitsu players. If jiu jitusu is going to grow the game has to evolve and 10th planet is apart of that evolution.

I look forward to the monthly episodes.

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Originally Posted by Gannard Reyes

The thing I like about 10th planet is that there is no official 10th planet moves. The 10th planet system is a system of moves, setups and submissions that works no matter who came up with it. If "Jeff" understood that he would be more open not only to 10th planet but to the new inovators of Jiu Jitsu instead of being stuck in the Gracie system of over 50 years ago. Don't get me wrong though, as white belts we have to start at the basics if we are going to really evolve to quality jiu jitsu players. If jiu jitusu is going to grow the game has to evolve and 10th planet is apart of that evolution.

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Unfortunately a lot of people don't understand that though. They think 10th Planet is Rubber Guard, Twisters and Lockdown. People are starting to accept but there are a ton of haters still :/

I have been around martial arts for a while now. Couple things Ive learned. 1. I avoid conversations about what works or doesnt work. This way you never put someone (mainly an instructor) in a position they feel they need to defend their weak ideas or techs that simply dont work. Learn and practise everything they teach. Just to give it the best chance then throw it away if it doesnt work. 2. Be very carefull when beating a higher ranked student and especially an instructor. Everyone gets caught and some deal with that badly especially when they feel the person shouldnt have been able to catch them.

This guy sounds like a total d-bag to be talking behind your back but it sounds like there is already drama built into the situation. The dude is older than you, higher rank, dating your sister and he's a jerk. Then you catch him in a move he doesnt know, doesnt like and doesnt want to learn. Its a no win. Just avoid confrontation as much as you can. Ive never been to Alaska but I can imagine that you dont have a lot of good training options. It would suck to burn that bridge.

AHH JUST BE H8erProof and let your actions do your talking

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Originally Posted by Nosaj

I have been around martial arts for a while now. Couple things Ive learned. 1. I avoid conversations about what works or doesnt work. This way you never put someone (mainly an instructor) in a position they feel they need to defend their weak ideas or techs that simply dont work. Learn and practise everything they teach. Just to give it the best chance then throw it away if it doesnt work. 2. Be very carefull when beating a higher ranked student and especially an instructor. Everyone gets caught and some deal with that badly especially when they feel the person shouldnt have been able to catch them.

This guy sounds like a total d-bag to be talking behind your back but it sounds like there is already drama built into the situation. The dude is older than you, higher rank, dating your sister and he's a jerk. Then you catch him in a move he doesnt know, doesnt like and doesnt want to learn. Its a no win. Just avoid confrontation as much as you can. Ive never been to Alaska but I can imagine that you dont have a lot of good training options. It would suck to burn that bridge.

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I see your point on #2 but don't think you need to be THAT careful. If you are a brown belt & can't handle getting tapped from time to time -- I don't even know what to say to that. Its just ridiculous, everyone taps. If I am rolling with a higher belt I tap them whenever I can - unless they are injured or its at some shit school & there is no benefit to embarrassing them. For one, often they are often giving me openings & it shows a lack of effort if I don't go in for the kill when I can. Next time they'll roll against me harder which will only up my game. I would definitely say don't goon them with face crush RNCs since it's a dick move outside of comps & its better to strive for proper technique.

But in this scenario - I would let that douche-bag eat a bag of dicks. He's a damn brown belt & he is currently offering no path to respect save proof on the mats (ultimate truth). Excuses are there sure but it sure as hell MUST plant the seed that maybe there is something to be learned after all from your 10P style. It's kinda like beating up a grade-school bully. They may still be a fucktard but they just plain HAVE to show you some respect when you can prove that you have skills. Not doing so just gives them more ammunition to knock the 10P system & to what benefit? There are sometimes people watching & I can't see sandbagging to make this ass-hat's ego get even more inflated. Better to let those in view bear witness to the majesty of what the 10P system has to offer.

As a blue belt I would be thrilled if I got one tap/month from any brown belt - let alone every roll.

Just my 2 cents...

Thought id jump in on this band wagon and share my experience.

There is currently only one 10th planet moon in the UK, I commute to Grimsby twice a week to train with SI,who is a legend, I also train at a local gym which is 5minutes away to get in my reps and more rolling time.

I actually started training jits at my local gym and when i discovered there was a moon in the UK I jumped at the chance to train there. The local instructor became jealous, I was no longer a loyal student and he tried to belittle the system.

He would try and tap me out and prove his style was better and what I was doing didnt work....lol yeah right,this system is proven!

Everything has changed however,he now has warmed to 10p and has me helping out with the class.He became frustrated during our rolls and realised this system worked as he was in a world of pain and didnt know what was happening to him half the time lol

It just takes time,people are ignorant but they will click on their own time if they dont.....fuck them!

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Originally Posted by Adam Quickenden

Thought id jump in on this band wagon and share my experience.

There is currently only one 10th planet moon in the UK, I commute to Grimsby twice a week to train with SI,who is a legend, I also train at a local gym which is 5minutes away to get in my reps and more rolling time.

I actually started training jits at my local gym and when i discovered there was a moon in the UK I jumped at the chance to train there. The local instructor became jealous, I was no longer a loyal student and he tried to belittle the system.

He would try and tap me out and prove his style was better and what I was doing didnt work....lol yeah right,this system is proven!

Everything has changed however,he now has warmed to 10p and has me helping out with the class.He became frustrated during our rolls and realised this system worked as he was in a world of pain and didnt know what was happening to him half the time lol

It just takes time,people are ignorant but they will click on their own time if they dont.....fuck them!

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you know, i look forward to over the next few years when we start seeing new moons popping up more and more all over the UK. :-)

Ask him how he feels about 50/50, inverted De la Riva, Tornado Guard, Z-guard, 93-guard (shield guard), single-leg X-guard, X-guard, deep half, Roleta guard, etc. When he inevitably shoots down half or all of them, ask him why he thinks Rafa Mendes, Cobrinha, Marcelo Garcia, Jeff Glover, Xande Ribeiro, etc (I could fill the list all day) are stupid enough to waste their time with these non-traditional new routes. I mean, they are no different than rubber guard or lockdown, it's just another set of techniques. You should ask if he thinks he knows better than all of them

From an outside perspective and from what I can gather, it seems that there is big talk about all people from 10th planet (Eddie especially) do nothing but go around shit talking all forms of JJ aside from 10th planet, have no respect for anyone else, and steal moves.

Most people seem to go into conversations already assuming that 10th planet is just some group of shit talkers who either suck, or are only decent because they are using regular jiujitsu and that none of their techniques can be attributed to 10th planet in any way....

Honestly, it's just something perpetuated by a lot of members of the Gracie family, and a lot of the people who wish they were members of their family.
I've actually seen some of their official channels go out of there way to find videos of 10th planet people losing, and making comments like "Hah, 10th planet never seems to win anything".


So,
I'd really like to see the videos you post, and I hope you end up changing minds more than simply proving someone wrong.

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Originally Posted by Michael Sioda

I see your point on #2 but don't think you need to be THAT careful. If you are a brown belt & can't handle getting tapped from time to time -- I don't even know what to say to that. Its just ridiculous, everyone taps. If I am rolling with a higher belt I tap them whenever I can - unless they are injured or its at some shit school & there is no benefit to embarrassing them. For one, often they are often giving me openings & it shows a lack of effort if I don't go in for the kill when I can. Next time they'll roll against me harder which will only up my game. I would definitely say don't goon them with face crush RNCs since it's a dick move outside of comps & its better to strive for proper technique.


Just my 2 cents...

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I guess overall my aproach is to tread lightly with opinions on techinques and try to focus on what is being taught at the school. Martial arts is this very weird thing going on, one the one hand we have this student/instructor relationship then on the other we have the customer/business relationship. Let alone all the built in conflict of things like GI/NoGi for example. TDMA & BJJ guys seem GERNERALLY pretty rigid and opinionated on things I think are silly, but if I join their school Im gonna keep quiet and just do my thing. With open rolling or sparring I would try to focus on the techniques they are teaching me. I would have no problem subbing a higher rank/instructor with something they taught but using other stuff might cause conflict.

Think about it like this; you are training at a place that teaches a set system and you are using another system's techniques and successfully. Built in problems imho.


I didnt mean to hijack either. My statements dont really fit exactly what is going on with the OP anyways.

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I recently encountered my first personal full on case of 10th Planet hate.
I'd seen it happen to my Instructors the year prior but while at no level do I think it's acceptable, as white belts I didn't think anyone would care enough to single me or my team mates out.

Less than two weeks ago I along with my team mates at 10th Planet Melbourne competed at the Victorian Jiu-Jitsu Championships here in Australia.
All 5 of us we're all in the 79kg division and due to a registration mix-up a few of us we're matched up against each other and the organizers refused to switch the brackets.
Not the biggest thing we we're there to compete, but it did affect our overall team score.

After weighing in not during but after, I was informed that our 10th Planet rashies we're NOW illegal and we couldn't wear them.
Our rashies had been legal for white belts at this organizations previous events (with just a bit of fighting) and we had travelled 2 and half hours to compete at the event, so we couldn't organize anything else quickly.
They had a stand set-up selling comp approved rashies but we couldn't afford the better part of $100 bucks.
I politely explained our situation to the event organizer and asked if we could wear white t-shirts as we had two but was told No, I pointed out the two competitors currently competing nearby in white t-shirts but was still told No.
Later I would discover that white t-shirts are completely legal (just not for 10th Planet).
I told her that there are five of us almost half the division and what was she going to do scratch us she told me yes we'd already paid (I actually didn't realize 3 of the other guys had come prepared for the rashie fiasco or just bought new ones).
Luckily one of their refs pulled me aside after the organizer had walked off and said what she was doing was bullshit and we could borrow his white rashguard for me and my mate to share (we had to switch between fights).

Finally got onto the mat to warm-up and almost as soon as I start another ref walks over and tells me I cannot wear my competition approved knee pads.
I informed him I had a medical certificate stating that they we're required for me to compete and he retorted with 'I Don't care'.
I smiled politely the whole day and when discussing with refs and officials was nothing but diplomatic, but for the biggest jiu-jitsu event organisation to treat a white belt level competitor like that showed me that they couldn't care about jiu-jitsu because by me showing up is supporting them and their event while they flip the middle one at me because of the club I'm with, I was and am dumbfounded by it.

Frankly I put to much work in for that kind of treatment and it's hard enough to compete as it is without that crap.
Further more I run a group called GV Grapplers Association (look us up on facebook) dedicated to building our great sport in regional australia and get practitioners to compete at these type of events, but how hard am I likely to help their events now?
Luckily Matty Grubbs took home the gold in that division for 10th Planet choking out a 10th Planet hater with a Marcelotine in the semi's and landing one of the smoothest deepest N/S chokes I've ever seen in the final!
NOW THAT'S HOW 10 DO!

In the end I should thank those fuckholes, this whole thing has reinvigorated me and if anything I'm more 10th Planet than ever!!! (if that was possible)