10th Planet Fundamentals

Hey guys, I'm hoping someone or a couple of y'all can help me out. I've been trying out local jiu-jitsu schools to try and find a good home. I took a couple of classes from 10th Planet Austin, where I live, and loved it. However, when I go to other gyms and they ask where I've trained before and I tell them I've had a couple classes at 10P they ALL seem to have the same reponse. 1. You need to train both gi and no gi (don't really care about this). 2. You're going to miss out on developing sound fundamentals (this I do care about).

But, is that really true? I'll be honest, the classes I took at 10P were super advanced and being a no stripe white belt I didn't know what the hell was going on most of the time--but I loved it. I took a fundamentals class today at Gracie Barra and actually liked how we learned very basic things like arm bar from mount, key lock from mount--even what a mount is. Maybe to some or most of you guys this isn't a big deal, but to me it is. I want to develop solid fundamentals. Someone said you can get the fundamentals from the warm ups and I've looked through most of them and I still don't see a lot of things that I would consider fundamental (arm bar from mount, etc) in there. I hope all this makes sense and I don't come off the wrong way. The thing is, I really dig 10P but at the same time I want to have a strong foundation as well.

Fun or not, more jiu jitsu=more benefit. Less jiu jitsu=less benefit. Depends what you're looking for.

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Originally Posted by Arman Fathi

Depends what you're looking for.

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Can you elaborate? I'm looking to have jiu-jitsu with solid fundamentals while still having fun

djs u just happened to come in on a sport that's both advanced and still growing. The warm ups of 10p are pretty solid fundamentals if you are interested in that. The problem is you haven't had a lot of reps doing them so what seems complicated now will be clockwork for you in 2 weeks if you are diligent. Pick a warmup n do just that set or when you start rolling see where you are getting stuck at and believe me the 10p warm ups will have an answer for you.

1) To answer NO, its not true. Most people outside of 10th Planet don't have a clue what they are talking about when it comes to the 10th Planet system, they only know what they've seen in a few videos/books. Eddie has said several times in interviews that he purposely left out fundamental material in his media like books, dvds because their is literately thousands of resources our their on them and didn't want to rehash the same material that has all ready been put out by others, rather he wanted to show material that was uniquely 10th Planet. Talking down on 10th Planet is one of the ways competing BJJ schools try to combat loosing business and students due to the rise of 10th Planet. Saying things like the only way to get better at no-gi and be fundamentally sound is to train Gi is just silly.

2)Yes there are fundamentals in the system, the 10p warm ups are a large part of the fundamentals curriculum. Each series has 4 flows, each flow is a series of movement/transitions, positions and submission. To the untrained eye it could seem like their lacking them, however when the warm ups are broken down and compartmentalized in the fundamentals classes (which most 10p schools have), you get to see the depth of fundamentals in the warm ups.

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Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

1) To answer NO, its not true. Most people outside of 10th Planet don't have a clue what they are talking about when it comes to the 10th Planet system, the only know what they've seen in a few videos/books. Eddie has said several times in interviews, is that he purposely left out fundamental material in his media like books, dvds because their are literately thousands of resources our their on them and didn't want to rehash the same material that has all ready been put out but others, rather he wanted to show material that was uniquely 10th Planet. Talking down on 10th Planet is one of the ways competing BJJ schools try to combat loosing business and students due to the rise of 10th Plane. Saying things like the only way to get better at no-gi and be fundamentally sound is to train Gi is just silly.

2)Yes there are fundamentals in the system, the 10p warm ups large part of the fundamentals curriculum. Each series has 4 flows, each flow is a series of movement/transitions, positions and submission. To the untrained eye it could seem like their lacking them, however when the warm ups are broken down and compartmentalized in the fundamentals classes (which most 10p schools have), you get to see the depth of fundamentals in the warm ups.

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Can you point me in the right direction for breakdowns of the warmups? I want to be able to identify the fundamentals in each one if that makes sense.

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Originally Posted by djs5150

Can you point me in the right direction for breakdowns of the warmups? I want to be able to identify the fundamentals in each one if that makes sense.

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They are scattered throughout Mastering the System available under the techniques tab at the top of the page. I would recommend just checking the description of the youtube videos for a legible breakdown and learning each individual technique step by step. Good luck finding dedicated training partners though that is the hard part T.T

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Originally Posted by djs5150

Can you point me in the right direction for breakdowns of the warmups? I want to be able to identify the fundamentals in each one if that makes sense.

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Go to a 10th Planet location and jump in the fundamentals classes and you will learn the break downs.

Also like Taylor some are scattered throughout the MTS, but your best bet is to train at 10p Austin.

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Originally Posted by TaylorWolf

They are scattered throughout Mastering the System available under the techniques tab at the top of the page. I would recommend just checking the description of the youtube videos for a legible breakdown and learning each individual technique step by step. Good luck finding dedicated training partners though that is the hard part T.T

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Thanks, I just watched all the warm ups on YouTube. They look great but there does seem to be a lot of fundamental stuff missing still. Perhaps you just get that stuff going to class? I just know the ones I went to looked like breakdowns of the stuff in the warm ups.

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Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

Go to a 10th Planet location and jump in the fundamentals classes and you will learn the break downs.

Also like Taylor some are scattered throughout the MTS, but your best bet is to train at 10p Austin.

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Did you start from white belt at 10th Planet? If so, when you roll with folks from a different--even more traditional schools do you feel like you're on par with them or better as far as fundamentals are concerned?

If you didn't start as a white belt at 10th Planet do you feel like you would of got the same stuff there anyway?

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Originally Posted by djs5150

Did you start from white belt at 10th Planet? If so, when you roll with folks from a different--even more traditional schools do you feel like you're on par with them or better as far as fundamentals are concerned?

If you didn't start as a white belt at 10th Planet do you feel like you would of got the same stuff there anyway?

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No I was training other martial arts for 23 years and Judo (4th degree black belt) and Sambo for 15 years and a purple belt (under Pat Miletich in no-gi Jiu Jitsu) before I started training in 10th Planet. I've rolled with several traditional BJJ black belts over the years and fair well ;) After being with 10th Planet for 10 years now, I don't feel there's a better association out there that focuses on developing and utilizing the most up to date training methods as actively as 10th Planet does.

I think a better marker is how my pure 10p students fair against others their own rank. I have an entire youtube page of my guys wrecking shop. https://www.youtube.com/10thPlanetRochester Grab a snack and something to drink, there are hours of highlights.

I feel with how we (the 10th Planet System) have focused on streamlining learning the system with the warms ups, mnemonic devices and several other strategies designed to expedite the functional learning process. The speed at which my students obtain functional skills is far faster than other methods I've been taught or used before.

Let me jump in on this one. I trained at Atos for over 2 years and have earned my Blue belt under Andre Galvao in the Gi, as well as at 10th Planet San Diego and have my Blue belt under Boogey and Geo. I understand what you are trying to say for the most part. Short answer, no. 10th Planet Austin is legit and you would do just fine training there from the start. I've personally seen guys that started at 10th Planet San Diego, never doing jiu jitsu a day in their life, beat good guys that I have actually trained with at Atos in IBJJF competitions after getting their Blue belt. It all depends on how you feel man, and if you want to train in the gi or not. I personally felt like I wanted to know "what I was missing" more or less training in the gi and I trained at both gyms until I got my Blue belt. I finished my contract at Atos last May and only train at 10th Planet San Diego now. Training at two gyms was crazy expensive lol, but I am happy with my decision and the experience I got out of it. I learned a lot at Atos as well and was able to compare and contrast for 2 years; and now I know exactly what I'm missing with the gi. If you want to get your "fundamentals" in the gi, go do it. There's no experience like first hand experience. Don't let anyone talk you out of something that you want based on their biased opinion, including guys that tell you that you "need to train both gi and no gi". Zog is right though, as per usual. 10th Planet is much more than meets the eye and there's no way you can go wrong with the moon you have near you. Curtis is super legit and that gym is crazy. Just pick a gym (or two ;)), go to class as much as possible and have fun. Drill the techniques they teach as much as you can and try to work them into your rolls. It will all start coming together the more you train. It's a slow process, so enjoy it. Good luck in your journey.

Thank you for dropping in to 10p Austin. Glad to hear you had fun. That is the most fundamental part of our program, but I can assure you we cover all the fundamentals you listed in our curriculum. The reality is our system teaches the sport faster and provides for a better understanding of the game overall.

Check out these competition videos of 10p students. None of which had any prior martial arts training:

Rhodes nails triangle after 1 month at 10PATX:
https://youtu.be/6Uh53TituAs

Char hits an arm bar after 6 months
https://youtu.be/6aQJj21ooVs

Priscilla RNC's her opponent after 5 months
https://youtu.be/KPCUFhMi0UA

Come back and lets talk about your Jiu Jitsu goals, see you soon :)