UFC 144 discussion thread (Spoiler)

I know its a day early to make the thread but since the weigh ins happened I figured now was as good a time as any

Rampage missed weight by 5 lbs. Fatty! I hope Bader whomps him now!

Frankie Edgar (154) vs. Ben Henderson (154)
Ryan Bader (205) vs. Quinton Jackson (211)
Cheick Kongo (229) vs. Mark Hunt (264)
Yoshihiro Akiyama (169) vs. Jake Shields (170)
Tim Boetsch (186) vs. Yushin Okami (185)
Hatsu Hioki (145) vs. Bart Palaszewski (146)
Joe Lauzon (156) vs. Anthony Pettis (155)

Preliminary Card:

Takanori Gomi (155) vs. Eiji Mitsuoka (154)
Vaughan Lee (135) vs. Norifumi Yamamoto (136)
Steve Cantwell (185) vs. Riki Fukuda (185)
Chris Cariaso (136) vs. Takeya Mizugaki (135)
Issei Tamura (145) vs. Tiequan Zhang (146)

The new joke of MMA, Quinton Jackson! Who else was watching the weigh ins with Rogan & Quinton thinking or wishing something would've happen?

Lol that would have been funny. I know things happen with weight but come one if youre UFC level you should be making weight. Not missing it by 5 lbs!

This missing weight thing is becoming more and more of an issue.

Predictions: I think Henderson is gonna get that title and Lauzon will win in a Fight of the Night performance.

Jackson mentioned that he had retained water on the flight. What I want to know is why is he flying into Japan so close to the night of the fight? If I were him I would of been there at least a week early to acclimate and loose the warer retained from flight.

retained water from flying? wait what?

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Gates

retained water from flying? wait what?

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When you fly your body is under an increased amount of pressure. This can cause lumphatic edema where the lumphatic fluid leaks out of the lymphatic vessels and into the surrounding tissues. This extra fluid in your tissues can cause extra weight that can be difficult to remove quickly.

Weird. I read he had an injury so he couldn't get any "roadwork" in to lose it. Excuses excuses

Theres really no excuse to miss weight for these guys. At that proffesional level its unacceptable. Id give the other fighter all of his purse and not let them fight. That would probably stop this trend

agreed. UFC is top level mma and there shouldnt be excuses. if they do something drastic it might stop it from happening

I agree. If something drastic were to happen guys might smarten up about their weight cut or fight in a bigger weight class.

I would guess that the majority of fighters who come in overweight go on to lose the fight. Let the fatties get 20% taken away and if they do it again within 18 months give them the axe.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Maxwell

Jackson mentioned that he had retained water on the flight. What I want to know is why is he flying into Japan so close to the night of the fight? If I were him I would of been there at least a week early to acclimate and loose the warer retained from flight.

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@2:20 Rampage says he's been in Japan since Saturday. Plenty of time to ring the water out! He's a joke!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=1fLfxAzgZEY

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Originally Posted by David Stager

I would guess that the majority of fighters who come in overweight go on to lose the fight. Let the fatties get 20% taken away and if they do it again within 18 months give them the axe.

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I could agree with that. Let 20% be your first warning then make a lot less in a smaller promotion if you cant cut the weight

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Originally Posted by Jack LaBarge

@2:20 Rampage says he's been in Japan since Saturday. Plenty of time to ring the water out! He's a joke!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1fLfxAzgZEY

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Psch go back to being an action star Rampage

anyone know of any places where a broke foo' can stream this card?

www.firstrowsports.eu

*I thought Mizugaki won that fight
*Kid Yamamota vs Vaughn Lee- Holy shit Kid throws heat behind those punches. Really a back and forth battle with both of them getting wobbled. That was a perfect set up from triangle to armbar. So much for Kid never being tapped damn.
*They need to get rid of that stupid FOX football music
*Gomi vs Mitsuoka- After that first round I really thought Mitsuoka wasnt going to take this fight. But Gomi came out in the 2nd like a fireball kid and finished it. I still think Gomi is passed his prime but he might be able to put on a couple more exciting fights
*Holy shit that was a brutal head kick! Pure shin right across Lauzon's jaw. WOW! Bet Pettis fights for that belt next with that one
*I lost alot of faith in Hioko being the #2 FW after the Roop fight. Saying that Hioki looked awesome tonight. I dont know that he could beat Aldo but he impressed me tonight.
*Holy shit what a comeback by Tim Boetch. He knew he had to finish it and thats exactly what he did!
*I had a feeling Shields won the fight but I dont quite agree with a 30-27. Akiyama had a couple beautiful throws. Super impressive. I hope they dont cut him

what a KO. i expected a war from joe and pettis. didnt expect it to end that fast

Glad Gomi pulled it off.
Always entertaining.

Holy shit Tim is a beast!

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Gates

what a KO. i expected a war from joe and pettis. didnt expect it to end that fast

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Beautiful head kick holy shit

Who else really wants to see shields get smashed?

He is just a not quite as talented GSP.

Plus, sexyama all the way.

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Originally Posted by Mitchell C

Who else really wants to see shields get smashed?

He is just a not quite as talented GSP.

Plus, sexyama all the way.

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I always want to see Shields get smashed. I really dont think Shields won all 3 rounds. I thought it was alot closer than that

Yeah, he lost rounds one and two, no question.

Jab jab jab jab, fail take down fail take down, GET taken down.

He is just boring and under par.

Shields won 2 and 3 just because Akiyama did NOTHING. He stood there and let Jake throw combos at will.
Rampage needs to retire. He has nothing left in the tank. He had the one slam, and 14 minutes 55 seconds of getting beat up.
Bendo was just waaay too big for Frankie. It's finally time for the cut to 145.

Bendo looked totally slick in that fight, never looks hurt on in serious trouble, just slipped, but his take down defense was solid, and he messed up Franky's face.
Honestly, it looks like Henderson just came out of a salon. lol

Of course, the best(worst) most unbiased(biased) forum in existence Sherdog's forum, is just arguing and saying he got robbed.


And yeah, wth was sexyama doing?
He had so much skill over Shield's and it was obvious.
He just stood there and let him tea off.
With all be in weak jabs, but still.
He let himself get out pointed like no tomorrow.

sexiama beat sheilds for sure. i wanted jake to win but he shouldnt of won. sexiama stuffed 95 percent of jakes take downs and had like 3 judo throws/trips. i would have liked to see more time at the end of round 3 when jake had his back though

dana thinks edgar won. what fight was he watching? edgars face was all beat up and ben was fresh. no more title rematches. sick of watching the same two fighters battle it out. let pettis fight ben

I don't see how Akiyama won round 2 or 3. He stuffed the takedowns but he got hit 40 times and landed 1 judo toss. For how shockingly anti-wrestling a lot of people are in scoring, they sure love judo throws that do no damage and score them infinitely higher than a double leg that has the same effect.

Sexyama lost for sure, and I soooo wanted to see him win, but oh well.

And does Dana really thing that? lol
I guess he is just as upset as his "boy" getting beat as everyone else online.

He got outstruck, took more damage, nearly finished twice, and he thought he won.


I would fire my corner of I were Franky, they probably told him he was doing great and not to change a thing.
Hell they thought he won at the end.

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Gates

sexiama beat sheilds for sure. i wanted jake to win but he shouldnt of won. sexiama stuffed 95 percent of jakes take downs and had like 3 judo throws/trips. i would have liked to see more time at the end of round 3 when jake had his back though

dana thinks edgar won. what fight was he watching? edgars face was all beat up and ben was fresh. no more title rematches. sick of watching the same two fighters battle it out. let pettis fight ben

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I thought edgar did enough to win but felt it could go either way. Pretty good. High paced for sure. Frankie looked really busted up but he scored a takedown in every round, caught 90% of bendo's kicks and landed more. Bendo obviously looked like he did more damage so maybe he landed cleaner
Dana can't be too crazy cause a lot of play by play guys gave it to edgar too. The rounds were so close though hard fight to score. When it ended I just had a feeling it was Bendo

I'm curious if akiyama has been hanging out with the cast of Jersey Shore. Did you see that tan job?

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Originally Posted by Brent Smith

I thought edgar did enough to win but felt it could go either way. Pretty good. High paced for sure. Frankie looked really busted up but he scored a takedown in every round, caught 90% of bendo's kicks and landed more. Bendo obviously looked like he did more damage so maybe he landed cleaner
Dana can't be too crazy cause a lot of play by play guys gave it to edgar too. The rounds were so close though hard fight to score. When it ended I just had a feeling it was Bendo

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A lot of people seem to think Edgar out landed Henderson.

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2012/02/...icial-ufc.html

I didn't really care about either fighter when this match was announced, I honestly hadn't seen either of them fight much before.
Aside from that awesome off the cage kick, and Edgar knocking out Maynard.
So I was pretty unbiased watching the fight, and it was clear that Henderson dominated and outclassed him 80% of the fight.
4 rounds to 1 Henderson.

Just rewatched it and I think Henderson was overall the better fighter. Rounds 2, 3, and 5 were close though. Henderson didnt dominate at all. He was the better fighter but there was no domination there

When you can hardly take your opponent down, and when you do he gets right back up, or locks in a deep submission attempt, or upkicks you in the face, you are being outplayed.

Edgar fought well, but he was being backed up and pushed around.

It was not a total domination, but it wasn't a close fight either.

Agree to disagree. Its pretty split on who won it. Just looking at the play by plays out there just as many people are giving Edgar the nod as they are Henderson.
Sherdog-Jordan Breen (48-47 Edgar)
Freddie DeFreitas (48-47 Henderson)
Chris Nelson (48-47 Edgar)
MMAFighting- Mike Chiapetta (48-47 Edgar)
MMAFrenzy- Chris Leslie (48-47 Henderson)
MMAWeekly- (48-47 Henderson)
MMAMania- Thomas Meyer (48-47 Edgar)
Bloodyelbow- Brent Brookhouse (48-47 Edgar)

So not sure how you can say that it wasnt a close fight when it seems to be about 50/50 on who people think the true winner is

Because people have never been biased or wrong.
Everyone who argued that Edgar won argued that he outstruck Henderson.
Well he didn't....so how else did he win, or even come close?


Also, when you say let's agree to disagree, that's fine, of course.
But...that's usually when someone is trying to end an argument, not continue it.