New World Order Bible Versions Doc.

[Joshua Jarboe]

I believe unicorns appear in the KJV as well. That's some poor translation work right there.

I've been told we have a greater understanding of the original languages in play and greater freedom from political forces than translators did during the time when the KJV was penned.

Color me skeptical.

[Jason Mallory]

Any act is a work. If it isn't faith and simply believing, if it's you required to "DO" something in order to receive a free gift ie: Baptism, that wouldn't be faith alone. That isn't what the Bible teaches. You are required to do nothing other than believe Jesus Christ is the son of GOD.

No where does the Bible call baptism a work but Acts 2:38 does say that when you are baptized you receive forgiveness for sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. As I shared before, if you do not have faith in Jesus when you are baptized then all you did was get wet.

[NameLikeNoOther]

'The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross' and 'James the Brother of Jesus' are interesting reads that put a different Agnostic approach to the translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls and their relevance to other translations that had been made to construct the Modern English Christian Bible.

[Jason Mallory]

I believe unicorns appear in the KJV as well. That's some poor translation work right there.

I've been told we have a greater understanding of the original languages in play and greater freedom from political forces than translators did during the time when the KJV was penned.

Color me skeptical.

I would agree with you kinda... but there is an explanation as to why the translators used the word 'unicorn' in the KJV. If anyone is interested check out this link.

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/...mes-bible.html

[Joshua Jarboe]

I would agree with you kinda... but there is an explanation as to why the translators used the word 'unicorn' in the KJV. If anyone is interested check out this link.

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/...mes-bible.html

I read it. And what I learned is that the Greek authors of the Septuagint did not know what to make of a word so they made something up. Then, the folks who penned the KJV merrily followed after this error, oblivious that unicorns did not exist.

Rather underscores my point about a greater understanding of the original language. Computers also enable us to do word studies in a way that KJV translators could not.

But oh no!

“The absence of a unicorn in the modern world should not cause us to doubt its past existence,” notes Dr. Mitchel. “Think of the dodo bird. It does not exist today, but we do not doubt that it existed in the past.”

If you can find me a unicorn skeleton, I will publicly retract what I've said here, but short of that, the above argument is just embarrassing.

No disrespect at all to men who did the best with what they had. But we have better tools at our disposal now and do not labor under the yoke of a State Religion.

I find that compelling.

Oh, and I'm with Solicit on the baptism thing, but I'm wary of getting hip deep in a systematically theological study of salvation on a BJJ forum. I'm mostly Reformed and the thing I find compelling about reformed theology is that Jesus did all the work to save us. He didn't save the best people. You don't go to heaven by being better than everyone else. This is not a religion where you work to earn your salvation and the people who go to heaven are those who did the best on the righteousness bell curve. On the contrary: we're all so messed up that even if we could work hard enough to deserve salvation, we wouldn't really want to.

Based on what I've read above, that is what we all agree on and it's super important.

It's a remedy for pride (which is something I struggle with) and that aspect of the theology is one a lot of people don't understand. Salvation is not about being good and deserving it. You don't earn it. And even the good things we do are a result of grace in the form of sanctification.

(No friends, I'm not an antinomian, just trying to keep things simple)

[Jason Mallory]

I read it. And what I learned is that the Greek authors of the Septuagint did not know what to make of a word so they made something up. Then, the folks who penned the KJV merrily followed after this error, oblivious that unicorns did not exist.

Rather underscores my point about a greater understanding of the original language. Computers also enable us to do word studies in a way that KJV translators could not.

But oh no!

“The absence of a unicorn in the modern world should not cause us to doubt its past existence,” notes Dr. Mitchel. “Think of the dodo bird. It does not exist today, but we do not doubt that it existed in the past.”

If you can find me a unicorn skeleton, I will publicly retract what I've said here, but short of that, the above argument is just embarrassing.

No disrespect at all to men who did the best with what they had. But we have better tools at our disposal now and do not labor under the yoke of a State Religion.

I find that compelling.

Oh, and I'm with Solicit on the baptism thing, but I'm wary of getting hip deep in a systematically theological study of salvation on a BJJ forum. I'm mostly Reformed and the thing I find compelling about reformed theology is that Jesus did all the work to save us. He didn't save the best people. You don't go to heaven by being better than everyone else. This is not a religion where you work to earn your salvation and the people who go to heaven are those who did the best on the righteousness bell curve. On the contrary: we're all so messed up that even if we could work hard enough to deserve salvation, we wouldn't really want to.

Based on what I've read above, that is what we all agree on and it's super important.

It's a remedy for pride (which is something I struggle with) and that aspect of the theology is one a lot of people don't understand. Salvation is not about being good and deserving it. You don't earn it. And even the good things we do are a result of grace in the form of sanctification.

(No friends, I'm not an antinomian, just trying to keep things simple)

I'm not trying to say that 'unicorns' were real. I guess what I wanted to share was that the word re'em (which no one knows the meaning of today) was mistranslated in the Septuagint and then a new word was created in English based on that.

I wouldn't say that I am KJV only but I am aware that the people who own the publishing houses are the same people that are pushing the New World Order agenda. I read different versions of the Bible and have the NT in Greek and use Greek lexicons. What impresses me about the KJV is the process that went into the rendering of the words that I don't think any other English version went through.

I know that my understanding of baptism is not the majority view within Christianity but if sharing my view causes people to read the Bible and think for themselves then cool. As far as this topic on Eddie's site... lots of different things are discussed here

[Solicit]

No where does the Bible call baptism a work but Acts 2:38 does say that when you are baptized you receive forgiveness for sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. As I shared before, if you do not have faith in Jesus when you are baptized then all you did was get wet.

So let's say there is a man who has hasn't been baptized and he gets in to a car accident and is going to die before help arrives. He has no time to be baptized and is literally about to die. You are saying there is no hope for him to go to Heaven? He is doomed to go to hell? He can't believe on Jesus and be saved anymore?

That is not what the Bible teaches and that is not by faith alone. It's either faith alone that saves, or it's not. Can't be in the middle.

Baptism is 100% an act and is simply a declaration of your dedication to GOD (Just like keeping the sabbath, passover, etc.), but it is NOT what saves you. If it is, than Jesus died in vain. Galatians 2:14-21

How is baptism not an act or work? It requires you to DO SOMETHING right?

There are many people that have never been baptized or died unexpectedly without being baptized that still can get in to Heaven. Teaching anything else is definitely not biblical.

[Joshua Jarboe]

I wouldn't say that I am KJV only but I am aware that the people who own the publishing houses are the same people that are pushing the New World Order agenda.

That's super duper crazy-pants.

See, you have to establish credibility BEFORE I watch your youtube video. It's 2 hours long bro. I could be reading Systematic Theology for 2 hours or...practicing my mini-stomp or something.

Crazy shouldn't take 2 hours.

[Joshua Jarboe]

Here's my conspiracy theory: people figured out that they could get free stuff if they just elected people who promised to give them free stuff. They're too stupid to ask where the money comes from or why the people they are taxing the crap out of don't just move to Canada or at least a different state. That's how you get Detroit.

There's no conspiracy, just stupid people who try to get freedom by giving ever-increasing power to the State.

See, that didn't take two hours.

[Jason Mallory]

So let's say there is a man who has hasn't been baptized and he gets in to a car accident and is going to die before help arrives. He has no time to be baptized and is literally about to die. You are saying there is no hope for him to go to Heaven? He is doomed to go to hell? He can't believe on Jesus and be saved anymore?

That is not what the Bible teaches and that is not by faith alone. It's either faith alone that saves, or it's not. Can't be in the middle.

Baptism is 100% an act and is simply a declaration of your dedication to GOD (Just like keeping the sabbath, passover, etc.), but it is NOT what saves you. If it is, than Jesus died in vain. Galatians 2:14-21

How is baptism not an act or work? It requires you to DO SOMETHING right?

There are many people that have never been baptized or died unexpectedly without being baptized that still can get in to Heaven. Teaching anything else is definitely not biblical.

I guess I would start by saying that God alone saves. He is the one who shows mercy on whoever he chooses to. This is why Jesus could say to one of the men who was crucified with him that he would be in paradise that day. The man was not baptized before he died on the cross yet God in the flesh, Jesus told him he would be in paradise.

We could come up with all kinds of scenarios like this and of course God has the power to forgive anyone.

I fully agree that a person cannot earn their way to salvation by being a good person or doing religious things. Galatians does not list baptism as a 'work' in verses 2:14-21. What I'm sharing is that Acts 2:38 says that when a person repents (changes their belief about Jesus and decides to live their life for him) and is baptized (immersed in water) that is when they are forgiven and the gift of the Holy Spirit is given.

What do you think about 1 Peter 3:22-21 ? This scripture says that baptism saves us.