Road to Metamoris: Season 1 Episode 1

[J.J Weatherall]

The filming of Ralek's series was cool. I think the reason they did 4 man round robin groups was because of draws. Eddie's overtime rules actually produce a 'winner'. EBI>M6

This. The EBI rules make it superior.

[Liquidrob]

I like EBI and what Eddie is doing, but I'm not a fan of the OT rules, I don't really have a better suggestion yet , but the current OT rules don't do it for me

Its forced, there are guys who never get a dominant position all match than get put it back mount or armbar position with a chance to win? Doesn't make sense IMO

If you know you're a not a better grappler, have little chance to sub in regulation, you can stall for OT, also once the caliber of the tournament gets higher, there will be way more OTs, just not enough time to sub someone

[Liquidrob]

I like EBI and what Eddie is doing, but I'm not a fan of the OT rules, I don't really have a better suggestion yet , but the current OT rules don't do it for me

Its forced, there are guys who never get a dominant position all match than get put it back mount or armbar position with a chance to win? Doesn't make sense IMO

If you know you're a not a better grappler, have little chance to sub in regulation, you can stall for OT, also once the caliber of the tournament gets higher, there will be way more OTs, just not enough time to sub someone

[David Rosado]

I like EBI and what Eddie is doing, but I'm not a fan of the OT rules, I don't really have a better suggestion yet , but the current OT rules don't do it for me

Its forced, there are guys who never get a dominant position all match than get put it back mount or armbar position with a chance to win? Doesn't make sense IMO

If you know you're a not a better grappler, have little chance to sub in regulation, you can stall for OT, also once the caliber of the tournament gets higher, there will be way more OTs, just not enough time to sub someone

I get where you're coming from. If the same rules were applied to boxing, the OT would be two guys taking turns throwing their hardest punch until someone gets KO'd. So imagine Mayweather, being the better technician, fighting a guy who's a harder puncher. But boxing is not about who the hardest puncher is.

On the flip side, in submission only, one guy may not be the better grappler but he may have the better killer instinct for subs. One example I can think of is AJ Agazarm vs Garry Tonon in the Kumite. For like 30 minutes straight Agazarm totally dominated Tonon and scored an insane amount of "points." But Tonon still tapped him at the end. At that point, Agazarm was clearly the better "grappler," but Tonon was the better killer.

So I don't hate the EBI OT because it's not about who has the more dominant grappling style. It's about who has the better killer instinct for subs.

[Tony Toffolo]

hilarious. well played

[Liquidrob]

I get where you're coming from. If the same rules were applied to boxing, the OT would be two guys taking turns throwing their hardest punch until someone gets KO'd. So imagine Mayweather, being the better technician, fighting a guy who's a harder puncher. But boxing is not about who the hardest puncher is.

On the flip side, in submission only, one guy may not be the better grappler but he may have the better killer instinct for subs. One example I can think of is AJ Agazarm vs Garry Tonon in the Kumite. For like 30 minutes straight Agazarm totally dominated Tonon and scored an insane amount of "points." But Tonon still tapped him at the end. At that point, Agazarm was clearly the better "grappler," but Tonon was the better killer.

So I don't hate the EBI OT because it's not about who has the more dominant grappling style. It's about who has the better killer instinct for subs.

Good points, but using the kumite amd points, Keenan has dominated Tonon like 20 something to 2 amd 14-0, also in the Kumite he subbed him,but it took over 20minutes, that wouldn't have happened in EBI and Gary would have a chance to "win" by escaping faster? No thanks

[Liquidrob]

Those were there point tournament scores

[Jason Mallory]

I like EBI and what Eddie is doing, but I'm not a fan of the OT rules, I don't really have a better suggestion yet , but the current OT rules don't do it for me

Its forced, there are guys who never get a dominant position all match than get put it back mount or armbar position with a chance to win? Doesn't make sense IMO

If you know you're a not a better grappler, have little chance to sub in regulation, you can stall for OT, also once the caliber of the tournament gets higher, there will be way more OTs, just not enough time to sub someone

I can understand the thing about conquering the position. My friend Aaron Briley who trained with Rickson said that this was something that Rickson always stressed. But as far as a format for TV the EBI overtime rules are better than the draws of metamoris imho.

True submission only would be no points, no time limits like Lloyd Irvin did in the kumite which was awesome but not TV ready.

[Andrew Sarasin]

true, u could be right.

The filming of Ralek's series was cool. I think the reason they did 4 man round robin groups was because of draws. Eddie's overtime rules actually produce a 'winner'. EBI>M6

[Andrew Sarasin]

its not about what makes sense its about what's exciting. Having a shoutout after overtime in hockey doesn't make sense, a breakaway should be earned but its not cuz its exciting.

I like EBI and what Eddie is doing, but I'm not a fan of the OT rules, I don't really have a better suggestion yet , but the current OT rules don't do it for me

Its forced, there are guys who never get a dominant position all match than get put it back mount or armbar position with a chance to win? Doesn't make sense IMO

If you know you're a not a better grappler, have little chance to sub in regulation, you can stall for OT, also once the caliber of the tournament gets higher, there will be way more OTs, just not enough time to sub someone