ADCC rule ruined another ADCC

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Just like a bunch of people said 2 years ago, myself included, the finals rule for negative points at the start of the match ruined pretty much all the finals matches

No ground work, bad wrestling, you actually are better off getting taken down in the beginning than pulling guard

Awful

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Gotta enforce the stalling calls standing

[Brent Smith]

No guard pulling is a shit rule. Eddie make the sheik get rid of it

[Jeff Baldwin]

I pretty much feel asleep during the open weight final... Horrible wrestling, horrible.

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We have enough matches between the last 2 events to kmow the regular round matches are much better than the finals matches

[Luke Noormets]

I'm yet to hear anything positive about it... Being as prestigious as the ADCC is you would think that they would be on top of things like this.

[Ben Eddy]

Just a side point, it's not really "horrible wrestling" even though it looks like it. It's just that 90% of "good wrestling" gets you caught in a submission against this level of opponents. I don't think wrestling that looks good to a spectator is even possible in BJJ against the highest level guys. They suck up guillotines out of nowhere.

But yea, it doesn't make for great viewing when the ruleset encourages competitors to stick to positional cautious wrestling.

[Mike Nall]

No guard pulling is a shit rule. Eddie make the sheik get rid of it

The shitty thing is that I'm pretty sure the shiekh isn't really involved anymore. I don't think he's attended a live event in some time and each year a different promoter handles the details.

It's really not been as cool the past 2 times which I hate to say. I've followed every one live from 05 to now and in some ways this year was actually worse than 2013

[Amir Allam]

Just a side point, it's not really "horrible wrestling" even though it looks like it. It's just that 90% of "good wrestling" gets you caught in a submission against this level of opponents. I don't think wrestling that looks good to a spectator is even possible in BJJ against the highest level guys. They suck up guillotines out of nowhere.

But yea, it doesn't make for great viewing when the ruleset encourages competitors to stick to positional cautious wrestling.

I disagree. BJJ guys have one or two shots, have only rudimentary handfighting, and have no lateral movement to create angles. Even Galvao, successful though he was, had horrible non-level-changing shots and very sloppy finishes. Look at Rustam Chsiev to see how good wrestling looks in BJJ. Davi Ramos also looked slick.

The ruleset is the problem. We want to see the best BJJ in the world, but the finals are always terrible because they essentially disallow ground fighting. Beyond the penalty point, judges also inexplicably care more about top position than submission attempts. So if you attack a guy from guard all day, but the match ends at 0-0, you'll lose.

As my wife put it, it is like deciding who is the best archer in the world by having a fencing match.

[Jeff Baldwin]

Just a side point, it's not really "horrible wrestling" even though it looks like it. It's just that 90% of "good wrestling" gets you caught in a submission against this level of opponents. I don't think wrestling that looks good to a spectator is even possible in BJJ against the highest level guys. They suck up guillotines out of nowhere.

But yea, it doesn't make for great viewing when the ruleset encourages competitors to stick to positional cautious wrestling.

I disagree also... Rustam Chsiev was gettin it done. Cobrinha has good wrestling. Davi was on it. Rodolfo didn't look TOO bad.