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    Everyone forgets bombing north korea into oblivion (that's why they want payback)

    Don't forget we sided with the allies in WW1 because we were bigger trading partners with UK and France than Germany.

    What about stealing land from mexico? We had a war over that.

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    I haven't forgotten them, but I simply don't know enough about these particular events. The lies and deception involved in the Vietnam War were revealed by the Pentagon Papers, as far as I know there isn't anything comparable about the Korean War out there. One thing's for sure though, the motives were pretty much the same, it was just another war "against communism", which says it all. "Lets kill people, because the have competing political and economic systems!"
    This whole "war against communism" is a pretty interesting subject by itself. Stephen Zarlenga talks about this in his book aswell. According to him the whole "capitalism vs communism"-debate is for the most part just a distraction from the real issues and their actual goals. It's a little bit more complex than that. Wars are about resources (oil, metals, etc.), territory, political and economic influence (f.ex. american companies getting access to their markets -> being able to exploit them), control over the financial and monetary system (control over regional banks and capital -> debt + control over currency values and the money supply as a whole), strategic areas for military bases and espionage, etc.

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    Wow thats a lot to take in but I almost 100 percent agree with what you said. I don't know shit about pentagon papers so I can't really agree with that.

    Some more fun facts

    Truman decided to nuke Japan because he thought the US might have to invade ALL the mainland islands. OR he could have just been preparing for another war with the soviets and trying to scare them. Either way as someone with a degree in history I've contemplated a lot on the decision and have decided a few things:

    1. The US didn't give a shit is they killed a billion asians as long as they saved american military lives.
    2. This is the best argument for hiroshima.
    3. Second nuclear bomb was completely unecessary japan was still trying to figure out what the fuck happened in the first nuke when they get bombed again.
    4. The invasion of the other Japanese Islands would make Okinawa look like a picnic, Okinawans are a minority ethnic group, most Japanese on the other islands are inhabited by the Yamoto people who are much more loyal to Japan.
    5. This would lead to a HUGE casualty body count for the american military and a total clusterfuck of japanese militia/civilian deaths.
    6. The best argument against using the bomb is that Japan would have surrended without an invasion because the Soviets (after defeating hitler) turned their attention to Japan just before the nuclear bombing and CRUSHED the Japanese army http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_...n_of_Manchuria (which was almost entirely in mainland Asia) to the point where they might have surrendered anyways.

    Either way Truman did the WRONG thing in nuking Japan as quickly as he did. he should have looked for alternatives but he probably wanted Japan to surrender to the US so we could get a bigger slice of asia to ally with us in the cold war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHAOLINMONK View Post
    I don't know shit about pentagon papers
    Here's a summary of the most important facts:

    Thirty-six analysts—half of them active-duty military officers, the rest academics and civilian federal employees—worked on the study. The analysts largely used existing files in the Office of the Secretary of Defense and conducted no interviews or consultations with the armed forces, with the White House, or with other federal agencies, in order to keep the study secret from others, including National Security Advisor Walt W. Rostow.

    Although President Lyndon B. Johnson stated that the aim of the Vietnam War was to secure an "independent, non-Communist South Vietnam", a January 1965 memorandum by Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara stated that an underlying justification was "not to help a friend, but to contain China".

    In order to encircle the Chinese, the United States aimed to establish "three fronts" as part of a "long-run effort to contain China":

    There were three fronts to a long-run effort to contain China (realizing that the USSR “contains” China on the north and northwest):

    (a) the Japan–Korea front;

    (b) the India–Pakistan front; and

    (c) the Southeast Asia front.

    However, McNamara admitted that the containment of China would ultimately sacrifice a significant amount of America's time, money and lives.


    1950: The United States provided large-scale military equipment to the French in its fight against the Communist Viet Minh
    1954: The United States began to engage in "acts of sabotage and terror warfare" in the defense of South Vietnam against Communist North Vietnam
    1955: The United States encouraged and directly assisted South Vietnamese President Ngô Đình Diệm's rise to power
    1963: The United States encouraged and directly assisted the overthrow of the South Vietnamese President Ngô Đình Diệm
    August 2, 1964: Following the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the United States manipulated public opinion in its preparation for open warfare against a Communist takeover of South Vietnam

    [Comment: Isn't it funny? 1955 they put the South Vietnamese president into power and 8 years later they helped killing him. More or less the same was done in Iraq with Sadam Hussein and Gadaffi in Lybia. The US put those people into power and later they kill them. Pretty much the same was done with Afghanistan too. First they "helped" the mujahideen against the Soviet Union in the Soviet-Afghan war and several years later they have a war against these past partners.]

    The Papers revealed that the U.S. had expanded its war with the bombing of Cambodia and Laos, coastal raids on North Vietnam, and Marine Corps attacks, none of which had been reported by media in the US. The most damaging revelations in the papers revealed that four administrations (Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson), had misled the public regarding their intentions. For example, the Eisenhower administration actively worked against the Geneva Accords. The John F. Kennedy administration knew of plans to overthrow South Vietnamese leader Ngo Dinh Diem before his death in a November 1963 coup. President Johnson had decided to expand the war while promising "we seek no wider war" during his 1964 presidential campaign, including plans to bomb North Vietnam well before the 1964 Election. President Johnson had been outspoken against doing so during the election and claimed that his opponent Barry Goldwater was the one that wanted to bomb North Vietnam.

    In another example, a memo from the Defense Department under the Johnson Administration listed the reasons for American persistence:

    70% – To avoid a humiliating U.S. defeat.
    20% – To keep [South Vietnam] (and the adjacent) territory from Chinese hands.
    10% – To permit the people [of South Vietnam] to enjoy a better, freer way of life.
    ALSO – To emerge from the crisis without unacceptable taint from methods used.
    NOT – To help a friend

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    oh the "pentagon papers" made it sound all mysterious.

    I thought most of it was common knowledge

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    the original false flag of the "usa" was the notion that there was any actual public clamor for revising the articles of confederation in the first place.

    thus instead of the revised articles being brought to congress for ratification as was prescribed,

    a farcical delegation of states ostensibly declared the old gov null and void

    =the root of why George Washington wasnt the first president over here, but he was the first president of the new federal usurper.

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    We are , but we have to be a little bit. It's better to be a little crazy, but also kind-hearted and caring than straight psychopaths and sadists like our enemies.

    Anyway, when you think I'm crazy :P, check the following list out. I found this online and I'm glad somebody else has done the research too (even more it seems), but I haven't searched for the sources and confirmation yet. Due to the shere amount of information it will take a very long time:

    Part 1

    US Use of Weapons of Mass Destruction


    The indiscriminate use of bombs by the US, usually outside a declared war
    situation, for wanton destruction, for no military objectives, whose
    targets and victims are civilian populations, or what we now call
    "collateral damage."

    Japan (1945)
    China (1945-46)
    Korea & China (1950-53)
    Guatemala (1954, 1960, 1967-69)
    Indonesia (1958)
    Cuba (1959-61)
    Congo (1964)
    Peru (1965)
    Laos (1964-70)
    Vietnam (1961-1973)
    Cambodia (1969-70)
    Grenada (1983)
    Lebanon (1983-84)
    Libya (1986)
    El Salvador (1980s)
    Nicaragua (1980s)
    Iran (1987)
    Panama (1989)
    Iraq (1991-2000)
    Kuwait (1991)
    Somalia (1993)
    Bosnia (1994-95)
    Sudan (1998)
    Afghanistan (1998)
    Pakistan (1998)
    Yugoslavia (1999)
    Bulgaria (1999)
    Macedonia (1999)

    US Use of Chemical & Biological Weapons
    The US has refused to sign Conventions against the development and use of
    chemical and biological weapons, and has either used or tested (without
    informing the civilian populations) these weapons in the following
    locations abroad:

    Bahamas (late 1940s-mid-1950s)
    Canada (1953)
    China and Korea (1950-53)
    Korea (1967-69)
    Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia (1961-1970)
    Panama (1940s-1990s)
    Cuba (1962, 69, 70, 71, 81, 96)

    And the US has tested such weapons on US civilian populations, without
    their knowledge, in the following locations:

    Watertown, NY and US Virgin Islands (1950)
    SF Bay Area (1950, 1957-67)
    Minneapolis (1953)
    St. Louis (1953)
    Washington, DC Area (1953, 1967)
    Florida (1955)
    Savannah GA/Avon Park, FL (1956-58)
    New York City (1956, 1966)
    Chicago (1960)

    And the US has encouraged the use of such weapons, and provided the
    technology to develop such weapons in various nations abroad, including:

    Egypt
    South Africa
    Iraq

    US Political and Military Interventions since 1945
    The US has launched a series of military and political interventions since
    1945, often to install puppet regimes, or alternatively to engage in
    political actions such as smear campaigns, sponsoring or targeting
    opposition political groups (depending on how they served US interests),
    undermining political parties, sabotage and terror campaigns, and so forth.
    It has done so in nations such as

    China (1945-51)
    South Africa (1960s-1980s)

    France (1947)
    Bolivia (1964-75)

    Marshall Islands (1946-58)
    Australia (1972-75)

    Italy (1947-1975)
    Iraq (1972-75)

    Greece (1947-49)
    Portugal (1974-76)

    Philippines (1945-53)
    East Timor (1975-99)

    Korea (1945-53)
    Ecuador (1975)

    Albania (1949-53)
    Argentina (1976)

    Eastern Europe (1948-56)
    Pakistan (1977)

    Germany (1950s)
    Angola (1975-1980s)

    Iran (1953)
    Jamaica (1976)

    Guatemala (1953-1990s)
    Honduras (1980s)

    Costa Rica (mid-1950s, 1970-71)
    Nicaragua (1980s)

    Middle East (1956-58)
    Philippines (1970s-90s)

    Indonesia (1957-58)
    Seychelles (1979-81)

    Haiti (1959)
    South Yemen (1979-84)

    Western Europe (1950s-1960s)
    South Korea (1980)

    Guyana (1953-64)
    Chad (1981-82)

    Iraq (1958-63)
    Grenada (1979-83)

    Vietnam (1945-53)
    Suriname (1982-84)

    Cambodia (1955-73)
    Libya (1981-89)

    Laos (1957-73)
    Fiji (1987)

    Thailand (1965-73)
    Panama (1989)

    Ecuador (1960-63)
    Afghanistan (1979-92)

    Congo (1960-65, 1977-78)
    El Salvador (1980-92)

    Algeria (1960s)
    Haiti (1987-94)

    Brazil (1961-64)
    Bulgaria (1990-91)

    Peru (1965)
    Albania (1991-92)

    Dominican Republic (1963-65)
    Somalia (1993)

    Cuba (1959-present)
    Iraq (1990s)

    Indonesia (1965)
    Peru (1990-present)

    Ghana (1966)
    Mexico (1990-present)

    Uruguay (1969-72)
    Colombia (1990-present)

    Chile (1964-73)
    Yugoslavia (1995-99)

    Greece (1967-74)


    US Perversions of Foreign Elections
    The US has specifically intervened to rig or distort the outcome of foreign
    elections, and sometimes engineered sham "demonstration" elections to ward
    off accusations of government repression in allied nations in the US sphere
    of influence. These sham elections have often installed or maintained in
    power repressive dictators who have victimized their populations. Such
    practices have occurred in nations such as:

    Philippines (1950s)
    Italy (1948-1970s)
    Lebanon (1950s)
    Indonesia (1955)
    Vietnam (1955)
    Guyana (1953-64)
    Japan (1958-1970s)
    Nepal (1959)
    Laos (1960)
    Brazil (1962)
    Dominican Republic (1962)
    Guatemala (1963)
    Bolivia (1966)
    Chile (1964-70)
    Portugal (1974-75)
    Australia (1974-75)
    Jamaica (1976)
    El Salvador (1984)
    Panama (1984, 89)
    Nicaragua (1984, 90)
    Haiti (1987, 88)
    Bulgaria (1990-91)
    Albania (1991-92)
    Russia (1996)
    Mongolia (1996)
    Bosnia (1998)

    US Versus World at the United Nations
    The US has repeatedly acted to undermine peace and human rights initiatives
    at the United Nations, routinely voting against hundreds of UN resolutions
    and treaties. The US easily has the worst record of any nation on not
    supporting UN treaties. In almost all of its hundreds of "no" votes, the US
    was the "sole" nation to vote no (among the 100-130 nations that usually
    vote), and among only 1 or 2 other nations voting no the rest of the time.
    Here's a representative sample of US votes from 1978-1987:

    US Is the Sole "No" Vote on Resolutions or Treaties
    For aid to underdeveloped nations
    For the promotion of developing nation exports
    For UN promotion of human rights
    For protecting developing nations in trade agreements
    For New International Economic Order for underdeveloped nations
    For development as a human right
    Versus multinational corporate operations in South Africa
    For cooperative models in developing nations
    For right of nations to economic system of their choice
    Versus chemical and biological weapons (at least 3 times)
    Versus Namibian apartheid
    For economic/standard of living rights as human rights
    Versus apartheid South African aggression vs. neighboring states (2 times)
    Versus foreign investments in apartheid South Africa
    For world charter to protect ecology
    For anti-apartheid convention
    For anti-apartheid convention in international sports
    For nuclear test ban treaty (at least 2 times)
    For prevention of arms race in outer space
    For UNESCO-sponsored new world information order (at least 2 times)
    For international law to protect economic rights
    For Transport & Communications Decade in Africa
    Versus manufacture of new types of weapons of mass destruction
    Versus naval arms race
    For Independent Commission on Disarmament & Security Issues
    For UN response mechanism for natural disasters
    For the Right to Food
    For Report of Committee on Elimination of Racial Discrimination
    For UN study on military development
    For Commemoration of 25th anniversary of Independence for Colonial Countries
    For Industrial Development Decade in Africa
    For interdependence of economic and political rights
    For improved UN response to human rights abuses
    For protection of rights of migrant workers
    For protection against products harmful to health and the environment
    For a Convention on the Rights of the Child
    For training journalists in the developing world
    For international cooperation on third world debt
    For a UN Conference on Trade & Development

    US Is 1 of Only 2 "No" Votes on Resolutions or Treaties
    For Palestinian living conditions/rights (at least 8 times)
    Versus foreign intervention into other nations
    For a UN Conference on Women
    Versus nuclear test explosions (at least 2 times)
    For the non-use of nuclear weapons vs. non-nuclear states
    For a Middle East nuclear free zone
    Versus Israeli nuclear weapons (at least 2 times)
    For a new world international economic order
    For a trade union conference on sanctions vs. South Africa
    For the Law of the Sea Treaty
    For economic assistance to Palestinians
    For UN measures against fascist activities and groups
    For international cooperation on money/finance/debt/trade/development
    For a Zone of Peace in the South Atlantic
    For compliance with Intl Court of Justice decision for Nicaragua vs. US.
    **For a conference and measures to prevent international terrorism
    (including its underlying causes)
    For ending the trade embargo vs. Nicaragua

    US Is 1 of Only 3 "No" Votes on Resolutions and Treaties
    Versus Israeli human rights abuses (at least 6 times)
    Versus South African apartheid (at least 4 times)
    Versus return of refugees to Israel
    For ending nuclear arms race (at least 2 times)
    For an embargo on apartheid South Africa
    For South African liberation from apartheid (at least 3 times)
    For the independence of colonial nations
    For the UN Decade for Women
    Versus harmful foreign economic practices in colonial territories
    For a Middle East Peace Conference
    For ending the embargo of Cuba (at least 10 times)

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