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This has been bugging me for a while now. It seems like when you get to Stoner Control there's the option of a Twister, but I don't know if it's actually possible. I guess it'd be difficult to swim under the arm, could be a little awkward to finish.
Has anybody played around with this? Or seen anybody pull it off?
Since no one's answering, heres my take on it. I haven't made it work but, seems to me the hard part wouldn't be getting the arm. It would be keeping it all together when you roll because I just don't know if you can hit the twister face down.
Thats a really good question. Stoner control does seem only a step or two away from a twister scenario. The weight distribution might all be totally wrong though, what with you both being face down n all. It would take someone far more adept at the twister than me to answer this, but its defo worthy of a bump.
I don't think so, because you have control of the leg from the front, and for the twister you need to have the leg controlled differently.
Maybe if you started it with the lockdown on the other side of the leg so that it was the grapevine...
This is the same conclusion I came to. I'm still trying to figure out if there is a reasonable safe way to switch from the lockdown to the grapevine once you have stoner control, but I haven't found anything useful yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Brick
I'm thinking if they stay face down you have a small window of opportunity...but even then I'm thinking it's not worth the risk and it'd be smarter to just take the back. If you let them get up to their knees it seems plausible too...but still not a good idea IMO. Gives them room to scramble.
Best way I can visualize it happening isn't stoner>twister. More like stoner>fake fishnet/desouza control>switch to grapevine>pull into the truck>work for a twister.
Thanks for the feedback, guys. All great points.
I think I might play around with it, though, see if I can get it to work. No harm in trying, I guess :)
NO! The key to the Twister IMO, is to have the control of your opponents hips from a position where he cant spin (Truck) and create a scramble. This is why its crutiel to master the final 3 steps of the Twister. If you release hip control, you better have that arm control before you move on to the battle of head control, or your opponent will simply spin/create scramble/flip the Twister. Even though we have good hip control from Stoner control, the Leg positioning is way off. Even if you switch to the Grapevine, your hips must be facing the same direction to that of your opponents. If you attempt this when your hips are facing opposite directions, you will never get under the armpit in search of 'S' grip head control glory! If you skip going under their arm and just grab the head, he will spin. REMEMBER- Hip control (via controlling the extension of the hips, the legs with Lockdown and correct arm control on their opposite leg-prevents them spinning), when you release your arm control of their leg, YOU MUST HAVE CONTROL OF OPPONENTS ARM or your opponent will spin!
All options from Stoner control are based on you opponents reaction, he will turn- he hasn't many other options. And when they do, we use real Jiu Jitsu, and follow the path of least resistance- which is usually the sweep to Side control. NEVER give up control is search for a sub! GET position, KEEP position, USE the position- Jean Jacques 101.
Hope this helps :)
my son says yes you can...
you flatten him out, stomach down, swim your arm thru the opposite of the leg you have entangled, grab the head and lay back....
they do it in wrestling..
he actually does the twister from several different positions...
and if they get to the knees its ok, hes favorite twister position is when the opponent is in the turtle...