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Would any of you do steroids if it were legal/accepted and administered in a regulated fashion by a trained professional? I'm talking in a way that doesn't fuck you up. I'm thinking like trt here. Pros cons thoughts?
Edit: when I say regulated I don't mean like fda (fuck those guys) I mean regulated levels and amounts for safety and balance.
Absolutely
In my old age, maybe, just to keep up but no. I wouldn't want to do it while competing because I would feel better knowing that I accomplished the things I did without help from anything. Once it would be hard to just train and keep in shape is when I'd take TRT.
if your diet and activity level was on point then you still had low T, then why not.
Taking steroids and taking TRT are two different discussions but I don't believe either of them are safe. So are you asking because you're just curious or are you actually considering trying steroids or TRT?
The risk and known complications outweigh the pros in my mind. I've been offered them on numerous occasions and each time I've declined.
IMO, if someone takes steroids then they're cheating and they have no business competing.
I guess they are banned for a reason - i.e. they are seen to give an advantage that is so great that they are not allowed by the supposed experts commissioning these things.Quote:
Why? Im playing devils advocate here btw. Whats the difference between banned substances and pre workout or vitamins? Remember thc was (is?) A banned substance. So if you smoke weed are you a cheater?
I wouldn't take them because I enjoy reflecting on my JJ and Martial Arts and knowing it is all me. If I was winning competitions on roids I'd wonder whether it was me and my skills or some pills/injections that deserve those medals.
I know 3 people on roids. They are the strongest, most explosive people I know. It could well be that roids attract already strong people as they are involved in that culture, but their strength, recovery and explosiveness always feels unfair to me and I'm not a big fan of rolling with them. I would also add that all three of them seem to have wavering personalities. Again, maybe a coincidence, but I'd not want my personality to change.
The question was if they are
Legal, socially acceptable, and administered under the care of a professional.
Y'all are bringing up social issues. He excludes those in the initial question. Which is one of the reasons I answered "absolutely."
The only moral hang up left would be the idea of cheating. But cheating is breaking rules. Do any grappling organizations say that PEDs are cheating? IBJJF tests the Black Belts. Any others?
And I hear people talk about how they wanna be a "natural" athlete. Is there really any such thing? These same "natural" athletes take ungodly amounts of protein, caffeine, creatine, etc... There's nothing natural about getting jacked up on that pre-workout stuff so you can lift in a gym that a dude in the favelas doesn't have access to. Don't we all come equipped with our own set of advantages? That's the exciting part of sports. The idea of a level playing field is a fallacy. It can't exist.
If they were totally safe, legal, etc then yeah, why not? Every little helps. If steroids were the way we are describing for this Thread then they would be no different than any other supplements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cody Kietzman