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Is anybody else surprised that Ryron threatened with rubber guard? Of course, it was a bluff because he didn't really know what to do - he said as much in the Gracie breakdown and on Twitter. It was as if he had exhausted all of his options, and then decided to try out something he saw on YouTube.
Ryron's a 4th degree black belt who went the distance with André Galvão. So why would he do that? The announcers glossed over that moment, but to me it was an eye-opener.
i highly doubt he "exhausted all his options," he was probably just using it to stop the posture and take a second to gain his bearings. According to guys he has trained with he's an absolute killer, but with a beast like Barnett on top of you you're going to have to slow it down a little bit
I watched their breakdown of the fight to see what they would say about the RG type thing I heard he did. It appears it was just to slow things down or bait a bit. In showing the RG he does not hug the knee and he holds the foot instead of his forearm behind his ankle. Those seem like critical details against a larger guy to protect your knee.
The announcers glossed over every moment of that fight. The commentary was unbearable. They didn't make any attempt to even discuss the match at all. The hardly mentioned what was happening on the mat during that match. Rener's commentary, for the fights he commentated on, was engaging, passionate and informative. He should really be the main commentator for all the Metamoris matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brett Grayson
I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Ric
I double agree. How can they have got that so wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by milojitsu
Ryron hung in there and held his own admirably I thought, he didn't get smashed like how I've heard people say he would. But I honestly, no joke, couldn't help but wonder what would be possible if guys like him took a concerted effort toward learning the 10p system. His high guard/rubber guard etc. did keep him in it for a little which is probably a testament to his mat time. He had him in mission control and what appeared to be crackhead a couple times but there was no advancing thru the paths or sequences, more just (like guy above said) posture management and control. You could tell that even though it's traditional, he's definitely got a pretty nice guard otherwise. Who knows what he woulda been capable of if he had a whole system there. Additionally, it seemed that Barnett's toehold came from the Russian Cowboy and I had checked out a couple videos on the Zogoedia a couple days ago talking about sequences and control from there. Obviously that's not 'traditional' and/or Gracie JJ moreso than Sambo or catch wrestling so someone who had a system there would appear to have the upper hand. I thought Ryron brought the fight and showed that he's formidable, no doubt, but you could argue that it was Josh's greater understanding of that position that allowed him to secure the finish.
What I thought was an interesting sequence was right when Josh got the take down and had double underhooks and was looking to dominator pass with it. I remember Eddie saying at a seminar that while it's a long-term investment to be able to pass like that, it could be majorly effective when mastered.
Just rewatched it. There was a moment in Ryron's 'rubber' guard that he had broken Josh's posture, had him in mission control and was sorrrta zombieing, half-heartedly, but just didn't take the available path to New York. I rewinded it twice and it was just frustrating to see. As solid and fundamentally rooted he is, it was just frustrating to see a golden opportunity like that not taken advantage of because of lack of investment in the system. It was good to watch though cuz I think something that might go overlooked is that there is something to be said about having that self-defense background, and then supplementing it with 10p specific techniques. Earlier on too Ryron had some nice stomp to butterfly game, but Josh showed what everyone knew I guess. He was an absolute beast and Ryron going for a sloppy reverse triangle from bottom of side control cost him. It put a leg lock guy right in his wheelhouse.
A lot of respect for Ryron for stepping up and taking the fight but the night as a whole was awful. I found the gi matches painful to watch for the most part. Fell asleep and missed Clark Gracies fight but other than Keenan/Xanje, there were NO G's in their gis that night... In terms of commentating, I like how Glover will add some fun to it but Bas didn't seem to have the grappling knowledge to keep the commentating going, he seemed so out of place. Rener did a good job and showed the passion he always shows.
I have to disagree about the Gi matches. It may be that the Gi matches don't cater to the no-gi crowd more than anything but Clark/Satoshi were going after it and Keenan/Xande showed a lot of cool technique. There was a lot to learn. I can respect if gi isn't your thing, but even the prelims had some bamf's with Michael Liera Jr., and it was pretty sick seeing Galvao and Kron in opposite corners coaching. You could hear Kron talking mad trash too lolll But yea I agree 100% Rener's a natural for that position. Him and Glover could make a great team, doing play by play and color, respectivelyQuote:
Originally Posted by Keith Kavanagh