what do you guys reckon about overhook armbars?

ive been thinking about overhook armbars a whole lot recently. iv had them done on me during rolling so i know theyre legit, but i havent had the chance to implement them yet.

they seem to be the perfect addition to the rubber guard game, if you could master them...eddie goes over one in the mastering the rubber guard book, from the pyramid position, where you grip on the arm just above the elbow as if your going for a guillotine.
ive been thinking of working on a similar variation from perpendicular jiu-claw.

do any of you guys go for any sort of overhook armbar? what are the key points to make them work well?

It's a low percentage submission (because it requires them to try and yank out of your overhook, which is more of a novice move) but usually attacking with the overhook arm bar in conjunction with the mir lock, will scare your opponent from just trying to pull his arm out. Keeping your opponent on the defense is always a good thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMA2EpuM4x0

And if they aren't trying to pull out of the overhook then it's usually a gateway to a free new york.

if your overhook is tight, couldnt you just slide into the right position manually? when iv had it locked on me, it has felt like a very stable finisher. the other day a training partner locked it onto me while he was in my guard (he 'accidentally' elbowed my in the face while i was attempting a hip bump sweep to open me up ><")
im seriously considering making it a go-to move if i can manage to become proficient at applying pressure in the position.

I'll catch it sometimes as a tricky move but a go to? not sure if its that great for that. If its there take it but I'd rather keep my overhook deep and work for triangles or sweeps, everyones different though. If you start catching it on people your level and above then it works for you and I won't knock it.

Low percentage move IMO.
Generally they are pretty easy to escape.

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Originally Posted by Muhammad Abdou

if your overhook is tight, couldnt you just slide into the right position manually?

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In order to kill the over hook, your opponent has to stack and drive into it, this would put their arm too deep for the arm bar.

Even if my opponent doesn't know that counter, it only takes a moment of pressure on the elbow before they panic and do one of two things: 1) A new guy will freak out and try to limp arm out, resulting in the arm bar.. 2) A somewhat experienced grappler will feel the elbow pressure and dive their arm deeper to avoid the arm bar.

I'm just telling you how it's played out for me though. I definitely recommend drilling it, since as I said before, constantly attacking puts your opponent at a disadvantage. I usually use it to scare my opponent from limp arming out of my over hook.

I got caught in one the other day, I tried pass to the left and yank my arm out and got caught. Wont do that again :)