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This guy is actually from my area. I have a very strong suspicion that they are riled up over the new 10th Planet Moon that recently opened and they are feeling a little threatened.
I watched this today. Technically I understand what he means by the belt being a part of the gi. However, he seems to be referring more to self promotion rather than us as a system. He even commented that he doesn't follow Eddie's stuff at all. I guess I have to remove all 39 stripes from my gold fringed satin black belt :-(.
So, his whole argument is that you can't use the ranking symbol of the belt if you don't buy the whole suit? How does no gi exclude anyone from lineage, or skill?
Seems like an extremist of the worst sort. Roll your own roll homie.
You can't promote yourself? Fuck
Hahaha, I was thinking about you when I was watching this Scott. I wondered if you guys were close locations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Elliott
Lol awesomeQuote:
Originally Posted by Scott Elliott
Interesting points about the whole “sacred must earn a belt thing” because one of my (white belt) students who has never trained in the gi went to a no-gi seminar with a gi section at the end. At the end they put a gi on. They had never worn a gi before. They didn’t know how to tie the belt. They were awarded a blue belt by the instructor… That student has still never rolled in the gi… And they did not roll live at this seminar… So hold on… which one of us are frauds??? … At least I don’t go giving other peoples students belts and master’s degrees and what not…
I agree with part of what hes saying. My personal opinion is that no-gi jiujisu should be called grappling and that if they want ranks then they should use something other than belts as you cant wear a belt when you grapple no-gi.
Not that you're not equal to gi guys at whatever belt you have.
If i could I would remove the white belt under my avatar an have no belt shown. Im not white belt, Im a no belt. I dont believe i will ever seek out rank unless i have to but my coach said i can borrow an old blue belt from the gym if i need one to compete.
The crazy part is what hes saying about people giving themselves rank? Is he talking about tournaments based on rank where you have no choice but to either lie about having a belt or sandbag? Who ranks themselves?
lmfao, that makes it so much funnier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Elliott
my friend and main training partner won naga san francisco at cruiser weight, novice in 2012 in nogi and the gi! he'd never worn a gi before and had to ask the ref as he was steeping up if he was getting it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Debes
Sounds like someone needs a hug? Also sounds like someone is unhappy that a school of 10th Planet savages has moved into town!
Using his logic, if Eddie decreed that all 10th Planet schools must have 1 Gi night a week would that make the belts legitimate in his opinion?
http://www.giveafuckometer.com/gafom.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Alder Hampel
That tops Joe Rogans "0 fucks"Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
When I own my academy, I will award a ranked rashguard and shorts. I will also still call my students ranks by belt, its just easier.
If he's going to appeal to logic, I'd like to hear his thoughts on the purpose of a belt. I was under the impression that it was to hold up pants; perhaps I'm mistaken? Maybe we could just start constructing the gi pants to contain a drawstring that corresponds to one's perceived skill level in the art. Then we could rid ourselves of these all superfluous accessories, with the gi and without.
Or you could just settle down, fella.
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Originally Posted by Alder Hampel
Not a logical conclusion. Since when did we go by who we tapped to determine a belt? If I put in all the time and effort that a blue belt has and grapple at a blue belt level, then what's so illogical about receiving a blue belt? It's as symbolic as someone in a gi wearing a blue belt. We earn 'em, we just don't need to wear 'em.
isnt it to hold the komdo top closed? lets be honest though, if the Japanese had access to rash guards and board shorts they would have used them from the start instead of some silly pajamas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
Nice idea with the shorts and rash guard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Dewitt Jr
Him and his other instructors go on to bash Eddie about marijuana use, making fun of BJJ dignitaries (Renato), and claiming that Eddie bashes traditional JJ on a regular basis.
Somebody please bring out some mma/grappling shorts with belt loops haha :)
Damn, I got schooled again. I only watched it once and didn't do any research. I guess I'll have to dig a little deeper next time lol. Thanks Tom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Carbone
Ironically Jigoro Kano, the founder of Judo, came up with the idea of a colored belt system from watching swimmers at a swim meet. The swimmers had colored patches on their shorts to designate their experience divisions. The concept of the colored belt system was orginally No-Gi.
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Originally Posted by Brian Debes
Bjj has become a traditional martial art...
If you think about it the gi pants already have drawstrings in them i always thought of the belt, for keeping the jacket closed otherwise how would all the nogi guys wearing gi pants keep them upQuote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
Wait, if you "borrowed an old blue belt from the gym" to compete, wouldn't that be ranking yourself? You're deciding that you are able to compete against blue belts in the gi and ranking yourself as such to compete against them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron Gustaveson
Just saying...
Anybody who spends their free time posting videos on the internet complaining about things is clearly someone you want to train under and be inspired by.
ha go figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
I'm inclined to agree man. When tradition, cult mentality, and all that gets involved, along with the sport evolving more for sport than for defense, I'd say it's time to call it a TMA.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottRay
Opinions are like assholes, and words are but wind. So when an asshole talks you can guess what comes out.
I have had officials tell me to borrow a blue belt when I competed as a white and was promoted primarily to compete in higher divisions. I just say 'purple'. No belt or material item attached. Pretty dumb, egocentric rant.
I like the belt system for the sake of history but a more honest approach is the trial by fire. In wrestling it doesn't matter how long you have been rolling before each match we wrestled to see who started. I like NAGA nogi style but an even better idea is if you don't medal you probably shouldn't be promoted.
From my experience with Carlson's Guys this is the norm. Oh and by the way one of Carlson's black belts just got arrested for possession of marijuana so isnt that the pot calling the kettle black. Fuck em. Sounds like he is butt hurt and scared.
Awesome.....this guy needs more bass in his voice, sounded too high pitched for meQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
HA. I'm a blue drawstring!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
this!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by sam sales
Ok, a couple of ideas. I'm sure everyone has seen the MTS (can't remember which number) video where Renato has his rash guard air brushed with his black belt on it along with his fruits and vegetables logos on the back. There's one!!!! Classic.:D
#2- Eddie could hand out colored/ranked singlets. I want mine with Fruits and Vegetables logos as well.;)
Seriously, this guy sounds like a hater and very ignorant about how 10th Planet operates. I agree with Scott, he probably is threatened because he is well aware of warriors we produce, the family/team concept, and the following Eddie has. Let him rant. It's good comedy!!
You know what we have effectively done here guys? Gave this fucking dummy more attention than he deserves. This video has over 2000 hits his next best hit count is 161 out of 33 videos. Has anybody ever heard of him before this?
That was punnyQuote:
Originally Posted by Josh Passini
the guy don't know what he is talking about...
lutalivre has been using the belts for no-gi since before this guy even thought about jiu-jitsu...
http://www.lutalivresubmission.com.br/lutadores.asp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDiKh6lFF6o
According to Brian Jones, in addition to skill on the mat, jiu-jitsu involves: terminology (Mission Control, Zombie to New York, Clear the Neck to Chill Dog; seems like we've got terminology covered), lineage (Carlos Gracie/Jean Jacques Machado, Eddie Bravo...lineage, check), that promotional thing (???), and philosophy (choking people out is a good thing/ getting choked out is a bad thing; check).
I guess the only question is, what is "that promotional thing?" Is it a buy two private lessons, get a third free promotion? Is it a for a limited time only, sign a one-year contract and receive a free T-shirt promotion? Is it posting dogmatic videos about antiquated modes of training in hopes that people who already agree with you view you as a soldier in the conservative movement?
Or is "that promotional thing" a reference to the practice of receiving a belt promotion from someone who holds a high enough belt to award that promotion. In that case, see lineage. Checkmate.
it would be if my coach, who is belted under higan wasn't giving me the belt, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph Hachey
true but who cares its funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie
yeah but i dont think your going to win over a Gracie guy with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Almeida
Ok, but the swimmers had colored patches not belts, since you dont swim with belts, like you dont do no-gi with a belt. So the colored rank system was originally no-gi but colored belts are original to judo. Even still the ranks are called by number in a way. ie. first kyu, second dan, ect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog