Marcelo Garcia tribute
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Marcelo Garcia tribute
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et6HRk72Fqc&feature=related
Jacare wins out powers Marcelo for a kimura.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DanWm-wqwwo&feature=search
Love his x guard sweeps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyBEs1OWrQc&feature=related
sick x guard. I hate dmx
His skills are simply amazing. That is what jiujitsu should look like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elGO4Tm0hbw&feature=related
Eddie commentating
This footage against Andrei Arlovski is older footage. I believe 2005. You'll notice that Marcelo is still in his Human Backpack phase, while going for the occasional straight armlock. You better believe if this happened now there would be more North/South chokes, Guillotines, Crucifix back-takes RNCs, and Spiral Armbars. Just thought I should explain the timeline so people don't get confused as to why he's still playing his armdrag and back-take heavy game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRWUatsDRzE&feature=fvst
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfy9vZVfYig
The same Guillotine he hit on Kron Gracie is at 1:27. The final sub at the end of the video is absolutely brutal!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30Ujz5sCS3k
I never get bored of watching Marcelo roll.
This is a write-up I did over at mginaction.com about Marcelo Garcia's Guillotine. They liked it. It's so amazing how not only did Garcia invent a new guard, but he also revolutionized two positions that every grappler learns on week 1 (RNC and Guillotine), and has raised the bar for the levels they can reach.
"There are tons of videos on here that will help you to actually apply the choke. As far as the extra details, they might be different from person-to-person.
First off, I believe the hip drop/elbow lift/leg over the shoulder/side crunch/Marcelo Guillotine is absolutely the best variation of the choke in existence. While the Darce/Brabo and the RNC have always been my best and favorite chokes, I'm finding myself currently catching more people with this choke, from more positions, than either of the other chokes.
As for the blood choke question: You're squeezing the neck very tight, but the elbow flare and lift pulls the forearm right up into the trachea. It cuts off the blood, and I have seen one MMA fighter go to sleep from it, but the primary action for this Guillotine is attacking the windpipe. Matt Arroyo showed the choke and had a student puke on him. Most people tap immediately from the pressure on the throat. There's really no time to think or ride out the choke once it's on. For someone to be able to even stand the pain for 3-6 seconds to even go to sleep would be a great feet.
The elbow lift accomplishes a few things. It prevents the opponent from bulldozing into you to relieve the pressure. That works with the old-school full guard Guillotine, which I haven't caught anyone with in forever, and I do think it will be phased out as time passes. The elbow lift can also be used to help keep someone on all fours if you are on your knees setting up the choke. Leo Vieira did this beautifully against Ryan Hall at ADCC 2009. Ryan was on his knees in the front headlock, and Leo was on his knees. He lifted the elbow up and over Ryan's back so Ryan couldn't posture up. Then Leo threw the leg over the shoulder and the tap came almost immediately.
The elbow lift also makes it so that the choke can be finished anywhere. In a full guard Guillotine, if your opponent jumps his body to your left side, and you have his head under your right arm, you have lost the choke. With the elbow flared up, they are typically completely on the choking side of your body (let's pretend the right side again). If they do manage to jump over you before you can throw your left leg over their back/shoulder, they will still be in the choke as they land. The elbow lift allows you to post your forehead on the mat when finishing from the mount, giving you more stability.
A lot of people don't know what to do with the bottom leg. Most people know the top leg goes over and in front of the shoulder, on the same side as the lifting elbow. Sometimes you can't get it in front of the shoulder and you have the settle for just getting it on the back. The choke should still work. The leg is just to further help them from jumping and/or pressing in to alleviate pressure. I like to take the bottom leg, and shoot the knee in between out bodies, and place the shin against their hip/waistline, with the top of my right foot up against their right hip. This also helps keep them in place. Marcelo does this a lot. The first time I saw it done was against George Sotiropolous at ADCC 2007. I'm sure there's other stuff you can do with the bottom leg, but I try to stick with this.
Those are some of the details about the workings of the choke that make it so special. Literally all you have to do is get control of their head, and then get to the front headlock. This Guillotine can be finished from so many positions it's scary. If you watch the vids of Marcelo and Ryan Hall rolling, Marcelo finishes several times with Marcelo past his body on the typical "safe" side to be in a Guillotine choke.
As setups are concerned, this site is FILLED with them.
ALSO, don't forget the connection between the North/South choke and the Guillotine. They have very separate mechanics and details, but they both have 2 things in common. They both involve heaving the neck getting choked by one arm with one supporting/aiding arm, and they both have a lot of intertwined/similar setups. Many times if someone escapes the N/S choke you have a Guillotine and vice-verse. I believe the Guillotine is technically more versatile, because it can be hit from more positions, but it is very smart to become well versed in the North/South choke if you are really interested in this type of Guillotine. In many ways they go together.
Hope that helped some. Some of your questions I'm not qualified/can't answer/don't know the answer to."
Marcelo at Campos (prior to ADCC 2003)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx1gGr8gQi4
Gotta post some good matches, regardless of the outcome. This is one of the 2 or 3 main matches that made me believe in the Darce/Brabo choke and its potential.
My favorite story about this match is what happened afterwards. After the loss Josh Waitzkin, close friend and brown belt under Garcia asked about the loss. Apparently, Josh, being the chess prodigy that he is (the kid from Searching for Bobby Fisher) is often frustrated that Marcelo thinks about Jiu-Jitsu too simply. Josh said, "Marcelo, what do we need to work on? More defenses for the Darce? Strategies for opponents with longer arms? Has your single leg become too predictable? According to Josh, Marcelo simply smiled and said, "I need to be faster." Marcelo later went on to tell Sam Sheridan that at ADCC 2007 he still had 8 submissions: 7 of his own, and the 8th one that he lost to. He also said this while grinning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQzpE8kiZtE
Jean Jacques Machado was doing x guard while Marcelo Garcia was still a purple belt.
I don't understand your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Ritchie
If you're trying to claim that Marcelo Garcia did not invent the X-Guard, fine. I'm sure someone did it in hundreds of years ago and had no name for it.
If you're trying to give JJM props, that's great, because he's an inspiration as a human being and as a BJJ player.
To me it seems like you're trying to give JJM props at the expense of Marcelo Garcia, which is rude to both gentlemen. It's a slight towards Marcelo Garcia and I'm sure JJM would not want to be appreciated in that way.
This is a dedication thread to Marcelo for people to post thoughts, clips, etc about/of him and his matches. If you want to make a similar thread for for Jean Jacques Machado, feel free to do so. I will gladly post there as well. But don't hijack this thread and make it about something else.
Also, the X-Guard is a just a small part of what Garcia has contributed to the grappling world in 7 short years. If you want to get specific with the X-Guard, just like people may have done the Rubber Guard before Eddie Bravo, Eddie brought it into the main sphere of grappling. Same with Marcelo Garcia and the X-Guard. I'm sure people did it before, but certainly not with the same amount of success at the elite level as Garcia.
my bad... all I'm saying that Jean Jacques Machado is the original Marcelo Garcia.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteMike2k9
it's nice to talk about Jean Jacques Machado while talking about Marcelo Garcia and so forth.
no disrespect in my posts
Cool! My fault brother. I couldn't tell your tone of voice obviously haha. It can be hard to tell those things on message boards. I agree with you. JJM is my favorite no-gi fighter from the early ADCCs to watch, and his no-gi style was so far ahead of its time, and he paved the way for a lot of the advanced stuff you see at the No-Gi Worlds/PanAms/ADCC today. He was doing moves in 1999 that some people are just catching up to today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Ritchie
The choke he pulls off at around 28seconds is the guillotine we have been talking about in the 10finger guillotine threadQuote:
Originally Posted by WhiteMike2k9
Crazy ass guillotines from hell!
Thanks for pointing me in that direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Martinez
Hell yea! Of course he can still throw a Mata Leao with the best of them, but his Guillotines have been raised to a level that is truly so high above the next best person. No one is anywhere close to his level. Like I also said here and on MGinaction, it's appropriate to classify the North/South choke as a sort of Guillotine. Marcelo himself for a long time called it the reverse/inverted Guillotine choke. When you consider that choke too, he can really get your neck from just about anywhere. He/everyone else knows he could obviously do Darces, Gators, and Arm Triangles, but he really doesn't need to, as much as I would love to see him do them.Quote:
Originally Posted by markusneo
He truly has that attitude of acting like every opponent is a Roger Gracie, and if he can't Darce Roger, he's not going to practice it on anyone else. It's not my game to play that way, or even most people's, but his Jiu-Jitsu is truly universal.
well said white mike, now.... back to watching marcelo kick some ass...
sick skills!!!!
Guess I better find more stuff:Quote:
Originally Posted by mikevelotta
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMRMzZ300Lw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVL2H_ATh4Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhi8ZU5BeJM
Me and a few of the guys from HQ have flown to NYC and trained with Marcelo. He is simply incredible. He was totally cool to us and so were his guys. They are all class acts and amazingly talented at that school.
It should also be noted that Master Eddie thinks Marcelo is the greatest grappler to ever live.