Any guys on HGH or Testosterone? Age management?
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Any guys on HGH or Testosterone? Age management?
ttt for old people. i think i officially qualify.
I can't grow facial hair at 30. I should too. I'm actually interested in this- more energy, endurance, and faster recovery. Im down
the dude asking about it dont look 2 old 2 meQuote:
Originally Posted by Dustin C.
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Originally Posted by Dustin C.
and that is a normal part of human development. Age isn't a disease that needs to be treated.
I dont know, it depends on how much of it you have IMO (age that is) when you make that determination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin Gibbs
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Allan I am 36 and will be 37 in March. Natural HGH and Human Testosterone is used in the medical field to treat a lot of illness and disease. You may also want to do some research Allan before making such harsh judgements and statements such as "all that crap is 4 pussys"Quote:
Originally Posted by AllanSwann
I am on the left in my Picture.
I have done research on it but just curious if any of the older guys (over 30) that are true candidates have any opinions or experience with it.
From what I understand not many people qualify for HGH because of the strict regulation and metrics used to qualify.
Kevin you are correct BUT we do not need to succumb to it either. Most age managemnt programs are based on diet, excercise, supplements and sleep. These atre the best ways to increase your natural production of HGH and Test, both of which are produced while we sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin Gibbs
You can increase these naturally before adding HGH and Testosterone.
HAHAH. now thats funny^^^^^
Hi Chris can I just ask why your asking about this? I'm certainly no expert for sure but 36 seems abit young for this sort of stuff.
If you feel any sort of energy depletion at your age diet is most likely the source. Interestingly in a book I have it mentions a Government paper where Universities such as Yale, Columbia and U.S department of agriculture reported that 99% of the American people are deficient in food complexed minerals. This paper was written in in the 1930's!!!!! The average persons diet is even worse today due to all the modern day junk food.
Superfoods like Spirulina contain up to 70% complete protein whereas meat contains only 25%. Also stuff like Alfalfa grass contains all the known vitamins and minerals. If your interested I can recommend some good books about a healthy natural diet that ticks the box for every nutrient needed by the human body. Since changing my diet my energys levels are like when I was a kid even though I'm almost 27 now. Other testimonys from other people I have read have said the same thing. The saying is you are what you eat. If you eat shit you'll feel like shit.
That photo of Bob with the Bitch Tits is hilarious!
@ James, I am just really curious to see if anyone is using this type of therapy / program. Just throwing it out there as it is getting more and more popular on the West Coast.
I agree with you on diet and I eat pretty darn clean.
There is a BIG difference between 27 and 37 though James. You will have to take my word for it though. I personally want to be able to remain as young as possible physically and mentally as these things begin to deteriorate with age.
you shouldn't use HGH because your suppose to be done growing and you should only use Testosterone if you have a medical condition that needs it. if you want to put so spring back in your step make sure you get your vitamins, anti oxidants, and pro biotics.
Hmmm well should we not use Stem Cells either? HGH is the best and most effective treatment for HIV and AIDS too...Quote:
Originally Posted by sly
I understand what you're saying but not really a solid point Sly...to just say we shouldn't really isn't a great way to advance our species and life expectancy.
my mom had cancer. and he did the stem cell treatment. its a different story when your talking about people who are sick and dying. your a blue belt in jitjitsu so i dont think your dying quite yet. be happy for what god gave you and dont try to fuck with itQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris Urbanski
Well stem cells no longer have to come from a fetus as we've come along way in studies of it over the last couple of years and have successfully found a way to turn fat cells into stem cells.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...tem-cells.html
All u need now is a fat friend and your good =]
Sorry about your Mom bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by AllanSwann
This isn;t about not being happy with what I have but being able to live life EVEN FULLER than our ancestors did.
I am just looking for people that have hard facts about positive results or negative results.
PS I don't beleive in "god" and most likey 70% on this forum don't.
Yeah man that is awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dartangan Jackson
I was curious about it too. I'm 41 yrs old and I still plan on competing in Jiu Jitsu for a few more years. From what I understand, it would most probably be beneficial to me. But I also understand that it's expensive. I have a few mouths to feed, and I simply wouldn't be able to afford it. So, I'm gonna have to rely on multi vitamins and Red Bull to keep me going a few more years. :)
Chris I think its abit of a wierd subject, i have friends who take it and to them it is the best thing since sliced bread, i have also spoken to a long trem black belt who said its the best supliment anyone could ever take.
Reading up onit and listening to people, it is a realy good product. But its the whole is it cheating taking a supliment to improve your preformance thing.
I hear you Louis. I have heard that HGH even when you are a candidate from a physician is $1,000 / Month!
I take supplements, herbs, I eat clean most of the time, lift, exercise etc etc. These things have helped to increase my bodies production of testosterone which then increases HGH naturally.
I just don't want to sit back and deteriorate if there are proven options.
The BOTTOM LINE is that if you plan on competing IT IS cheating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith Werbisky
I was talking to some buddies about this the other day regarding Sonnen/Couture being on the stuff and it's like saying once you hit a certain age it's cool to start juicin...weak man, real weak.
On the other hand if it's just something you want to do for YOU...knock yourself out. WTFE
Thanks Keith.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith Werbisky
Why do you think it's a weird subject just because it is taboo? I figured that on this forum with the 10th Planet Family where almost every thread has SOMETHING taboo it would be a safe place to discuss it with intelligent people.
If I were fighting professionaly it may be considered cheating, but if I am approaching 40 and want to train longer with all the 20 - 30 year olds I really don't think it's cheating.
Just to clarify I am NOT referring to the levels and Anabolics that Body Builders use. I am referring to bringing levels back to what they were from age 18 - 25.
I am playing a bit of Devil's Advocate here Roofliss. I also beleive that there are a LOT more fighters doing this than just the obvious ones. They have it down to a science.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roofliss
Agreed.
I ment it was a wierd subject by the fact im gona sit on the fence on this one, in all honesty i dont realy know wich way i would recomend you go.
And I understand that you are only considering it as way to preserve you ability and not to enhance it. Id love to know what effects it actually has on someone who does Jiu Jitsu. I know it will help with recovery but will it also help increase your felxability and other things like that?
What many of you don't understand is what its like to train HARD when you 35 years old and over (especially when you've been training hard for most of your life). I was invincible in my 20's as well. You have no fucking idea what its like when your training hard consistantly with multiple injuries when you start to age, I didn't believe it myself until is started happening to me a few years ago. It does catch up, your recovery time slows waaaaaay down, and everything fucking hurts. If modern science can come up with a way to help you recover like you did when you were in your 20's , yay fucking science!
And lol @ anyone that thinks Chris is a pussy, hes one of the scrappiest little mutha fuckas I know.
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Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
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Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
preach. i am 30 years old and i am already constantly injured. never anything big, it seems, but always a sprained wrist or a tweaked knee or a busted rib, etc....Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
anything that can keep me from feeling like i can't be on the mat, i am willing to try it.
yay science.
Im interested in something that increases test to make one more aggressive. Snicker bars work for a few minutes but wear off.
As far as cheating, I don't see how it's cheating making your test levels the same as a when you are 20. So 20 year olds are cheating? Or people that are born with low test are cheating because they have a deficiency? Or people that are born with high test are cheating? IMHO I say no it's not, now if you are talking substance abuse that is a completely different subject that has nothing to do with this thread.
I understand why steroids are considered cheating but keeping the hormone level where it is suposed to be isn't cheating IMHO :)
We will see what you say after you are over 30 ;)
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Im interested in something that increases test to make one more aggressive. Snicker bars work for a few minutes but wear off.
Dustin I absolutley agree. If I had a Bone Deficiency or as I aged my bones became weaker and my tendons more brittle would it be cheating to take a drug to make my bones as strong as they were at 20?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustin C.
Again, I am talking about bringing the Test levels back to that of an 18 - 25 year old. I am not talking about WWF shit here.
Herzog is a machine. The dude has been training for 25 years, has had both biceps re attached, hip surgery, knees, ankles the man is Evil Kineival. For someone like him to still Roll 4 times a week and train at 36 is really fucking amazing. If it were my career and my life you better beleive I would be looking for a way to keep my body at the same level as my desire!
Thanks Coach ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
Allan what does this mean? Sorry I don't know if this is a laugh of understanding or a laugh of sarcasm... Not trying to be confrontational here I just want to know where we stand here.. :) Thanks Bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by AllanSwann
I'm another old guy. You young guys can not understand until you are our age. Everything hurts knees, hips, shoulders, elbows, neck, knuckles, wrists, ect constantly. Not only in the gym, but at work and during our normal lifes. Trying to do the same drills as you guys phisically hurts. Rolling hurts anymore. I get alot of crap at the gym for early tapouts. It's not because I can't escape an armbar, or shoulder lock. It's because if I get tweeked a little, I will be in pain for months. You young guys make fun of us for asking you to take it easy on our shoulder, or elbow when we roll. One day you guys will be there. All of the tweeks add up. I have been tempted to use those products also. But instead I just focus on drills that don't hurt, and rolling with guys that are my age or guys that I can trust not to over extend a sub.
I hear Herzog Kneivel is planning to jump his bike over a pool of sharks. Similar to what Fonzie did.