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Robbery. One of the competitors had this same leg control on a 10th Planet purple and the Ref. did nothing.
Wow... Seems like a pretty lame call . The leg placement rules need to be very clear.
I think his foot crossed the hip-line, you can see it snaked across to the other hip, but wouldn't his opponent's leg have had to be on the other side of Jared's body for him to be reaping the knee?
Wow!! If there had been ANY attempt to sub I could see "MAYBE" the DQ. But the fact that this happened during a position battle and no sub attempt was made - I call BS. And the guy that called attention to it is a bitch for looking for a way out.
there is a really good angle on the "reap" in the 10th planet burbank highlight video. That call was rediculous. He should have at least got a warning to let it go considering it happened in a transition. Not like he was setting it up to attack that knee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0utjxF7I7k&feature=feedu
about 5.40 into it
Is the ruling the reaping or was it simply that the foot crossed the midline of the opponents body?
Yup I noticed we got bad calls.
What's funny is anything we seem to talk about here on the worlds, ends up being shown on sherdog forums. "look over at 10th forums they're complaining about x and y"...
Hahhaha, we got moles amongst us.
But oh well, study us well, because it's just a matter of time.
Now go report that!
Sherdog is full of tools. Next year bitches
It's a stupid rule but that was clearly what they consider reaping.
If you watch the leg reaping rules video it says "forcing the opponent to turn to defend his knee." There was no turning away to defend the knee.
I thought the same thing. The opponent had his foot on the floor and his knee on the belly position. Jared had his leg over the knee but the knee was not in danger there I dont think there is a heel hook there. If you watch the video carefully when the opponent is stood up for the DQ you can see where he knee and feet are and they are not in the reaping zone. I think this was an example of bad reffing applied to a terrible rule.
i asked hillary the same question and referenced the ibjjf reaping rule video. I too asked how it could be considered reaping and wouldn't the top guy's leg need to be on the opposite side of Jared's body? she replied:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Dewitt Jr
Assume you are playing open guard and I am standing to pass. If my same-side leg (your right, my left) passes your hip on the inside, the outside foot cannot cross over the center line. It does, but mostly because the top guy pushes it and crouches down. So the ref should wait and watch, does bottom guy try to move his leg in any way? if he does, you stop the position, put the foot on the hip and LUTE. If he doesn't, DQ for not knowing rules.
so basically, she says in situations like this that involve a scramble and an unintentional reap, the reaper must make an effort to remove the reaping leg.
I think ibjjf needs to make a better instructional video on what is considered a reap!
It's unfortunate but it' in the rules. You want to play in their tournament, you unfortunately need to play by their rules. I think it's a retarded rule as well but again, it's in the rules. Just don't cross your outside leg passed the center line and everything is fine.
"Assume you are playing open guard and I am standing to pass. If my same-side leg (your right, my left) passes your hip on the inside, the outside foot cannot cross over the center line. It does, but mostly because the top guy pushes it and crouches down. So the ref should wait and watch, does bottom guy try to move his leg in any way? if he does, you stop the position, put the foot on the hip and LUTE. If he doesn't, DQ for not knowing rules." -Hillary IBJJF RefQuote:
Originally Posted by JayPagesJJ
it was clearly an illegal position but it was totally due to the scramble where jared was trying to keep his guard from being passed.
it was bs that the ref stepped in so quickly as he didn't have any time to get his leg out. if the ref was going to step in so fast it think it should have been a warning.
hell, his competitor shouldn't have let them stop it. i wouldn't want to win from that.
This is making me so mad... it looks like his opponent is crying about that "reap" and wants the DQ win... lame.
thats total bs, if hed actually gone for the submission then sure DQ him, but he wasnt making any attempt to do it so why not see what happens next. its like if you got someone in basball bat control and they DQ you for doing the twister, a horseshit call. sorry jared Jared you looked good up till then buddy
It is and it isn't bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
It is technically reaping the knee, as the player has his opponent's leg trapped between his, and the player's outside leg crosses the line of the hip.
It's bullshit in that knee reaps in general aren't inherently dangerous. It's a rule that is purely in place to encourage guard passing over leg attacks.
The call could have gone either way, honestly. While it is technically a reaping of the knee, it wasn't the conventional outside leg triangle that causes most knee reaps. There was no danger to the opponent's knee, but the leg did cross the hip line. Very strict interpretation of the rule, but it is what it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhUO4XcGkAYQuote:
Originally Posted by Jared Gammel
IBJJF is a fucking joke.
I've been DQ'd for the same thing, seem's like you should be able to reap the knee at brown belt though...
You would think. That's a rule that needs to changeQuote:
Originally Posted by Griffin Lambert
Such a stupid rule, needs to be gone!!
I call bs
According to the video it's reaping if there is pressure toward the centerline from the outside leg (Jared's right leg) even if the foot hasn't crossed over the hip. If anything Jared is applying pressure outward with his inside leg, and forward with his outside leg. This position simply isn't covered in the video on rules on reaping.
But if that video was all inclusive on what reaping is, then this is clearly not reaping.
According to the IBJJF rules...yes...they even circulated a video explaining it in great detail.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdXfkkyI1nQ
dont fear the reaper
LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
In great detail? I disagree, not one of the positions on the IBJJF video shows the scenario that happened here.Quote:
Originally Posted by djradoff
Actually, there was a video that explained it in great detail but they took it down recently for some reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeCunningham
My apologies, I thought he was referring to the video that was in this thread, and on Budo Jake's Facebook. If there was another one, I haven't seen it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin W.
"I need more Cowbell baby!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
Like some others who have posted, I think the worst, most unsportsmanlike part of the video is the opponent calling the 'reap' out to the ref. I could understand if he was in danger and thought he was at risk for immediate injury and needed the ref to stop the match, but this just looked cowardly.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan Ehrnreiter
What's also funny, from my understanding when I did the referee course, the guy standing can also be dq'd if he forces or pushes the bottom persons leg in a position the reaps the knee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
The whole point of the knee reap rule is to protect the competitors knees from serious injury.
no use crying over spilt milk. stop making easy targets for sherdog