Condit wasted my 60.00 with his running techniques

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Originally Posted by Cody Kietzman

I feel like that mentality takes the excitement out of fights. Like i said before no one like the guy that scores the takedown in a jiu jitsu competition then stalls for the rest of the round.

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I agree! That's why I believe all Jiu Jitsu tournaments should be Submission Only.

MMA is a sport, with potentially a lot of money on the line and endorsements. Most competitive people just want to win...not caring how, or worrying about what fans think. Athletes Winning at any cost...is common in all sports!

Living up to nickname. REALLY! Really! My nickname is "foot long"...all the girls get disappointed! nickname haha...jk

Yes, Boring fights suck! But I understand why fighters fight to win.

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Originally Posted by Jack LaBarge

I agree! That's why I believe all Jiu Jitsu tournaments should be Submission Only.

MMA is a sport, with potentially a lot of money on the line and endorsements. Most competitive people just want to win...not caring how, or worrying about what fans think. Athletes Winning at any cost...is common in all sports!

Living up to nickname. REALLY! Really! My nickname is "foot long"...all the girls get disappointed! nickname haha...jk

Yes, Boring fights suck! But I understand why fighters fight to win.

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haha, touché

[QUOTE=David Rosado;113846]Why you mad then?



I think Condit displayed efficient combat abilities. You can't blame a guy for not being able to KO Diaz. Daley hits harder and couldn't do it. Don't give up on MMA off one fight. LOL.



LOL. My opinion is one opinion. I'm disappointed in the whining. Few people have actually put together rational arguments. Most people are just saying Condit ran while disregarding that he controlled the fight and landed more and nullified Nick's whole style. I consider this forum to be a little smarter than the average MMA fan so I'm surprised that I'm seeing more emotional responses to what people don't LIKE vs strong analysis for what actually happened. That's all.

But it's not like I'm the Jesus of MMA analysis. Maybe disappointed is the wrong word. Maybe I should say surprised. But there is a lotta cry baby going on though. We can disagree and still be friends though.

:D[/dude what are you talking about ? Ko Nick, Condit didn't come to "Fight" let alone ko anybody, Nick came to ko condit, & condit came to point fight, thats what people are pissed about

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Originally Posted by David Stager

If you go around calling yourself the Natural Born Killer, you should want to put that reputation on the line and go for broke. Otherwise get a new nickname. Nick Diaz came into this fight looking to find out if he really was as much of a badass as he thought he was. The same cannot be said for Condit.

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well said

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Originally Posted by David Stager

There is a price to paid for playing it safe. Condit is no longer the Natural Born Killer. He threw that reputation away. A lot of people tuned into this fight, not to see who would be the next Interim WW Champ, but because they wanted to settle the debate: Which of these two guys is the bigger killer.

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thank you, thats the whole reason i orderd this fight & invited everyone i knew, mostly non mma fans, & they talked mad shit on how mma is just sloppy striking with takedowns, & i couldn't say shit in mma's defence, what a fucked up feeling, to know your right but to not be able to say shit

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Originally Posted by David Rosado

LOL. One fight where he couldn't put a guy away that NOBODY puts away, and he's no longer a killer. Hahaha. That's funny. And the bigger killer is neither since Diaz didn't put Condit away either.

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dude are you forgetting the fact that most of the flash strikes condit through didn't hit shit, so throwing is just like landing ? & Nick can't knock out someone who turns there back & runs to avoid combat, & when condit did stand in the pocket he got tagged with head & body combos, & don't forget Nick's flurry in 2nd round, the judges just ignored that shit

Greg Jackson's point of view:

Jackson: I'm sorry there's flack on the Internet, but ...

In a recent interview with Sherdog, perennial Coach of the Year Greg Jackson, lays out and defends the strategy Carlos Condit used to defeat Nick Diaz Saturday night at UFC 143 for the Wleterweight Interim title.

"That was the game plan," said Jackson. "When you are fighting a guy like Nick who is so amazing and he does things so well, the last thing you want to do is sit kind of flat footed and get in a face punching contest with him.

"And so 'm sorry there's flack going around the Internet, but If you don't appreciate the way Muhammad Ali or Sugar Ray Leonard or some of these great guys that do their sticking and moving, I don't know what to tell you.

"I am not going to tell my guy to do what the other guy is really really good at. and then throw the dice and win It seems to me the smart thing to do would be to hit him a lot and then not get hit.

"I'm no rocket scientist, but hitting a lot and not getting hit … sounds like a good idea."

"Part of our game plan was the body attack, with the legs and the body. That attack came to fruition. It is kind of like investing in a bank - you are putting your money in in the early rounds, and then you start slowing down and start to take over.

"At that crucial time, at that pivotal third round, when Nick started to slow down, Carlos started to speed up. So sometimes you can go and use, you can stay away from someone's strengths. Certainly we did that ..."

"In addition to that, you can go after someone's strengths. Nick's strength is pace, and so we wanted to slow down that pace a lot, and let Carlos dictate that."

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Originally Posted by Jacob Allen

Greg Jackson's point of view:

Jackson: I'm sorry there's flack on the Internet, but ...

In a recent interview with Sherdog, perennial Coach of the Year Greg Jackson, lays out and defends the strategy Carlos Condit used to defeat Nick Diaz Saturday night at UFC 143 for the Wleterweight Interim title.

"That was the game plan," said Jackson. "When you are fighting a guy like Nick who is so amazing and he does things so well, the last thing you want to do is sit kind of flat footed and get in a face punching contest with him.

"And so 'm sorry there's flack going around the Internet, but If you don't appreciate the way Muhammad Ali or Sugar Ray Leonard or some of these great guys that do their sticking and moving, I don't know what to tell you.

"I am not going to tell my guy to do what the other guy is really really good at. and then throw the dice and win It seems to me the smart thing to do would be to hit him a lot and then not get hit.

"I'm no rocket scientist, but hitting a lot and not getting hit … sounds like a good idea."

"Part of our game plan was the body attack, with the legs and the body. That attack came to fruition. It is kind of like investing in a bank - you are putting your money in in the early rounds, and then you start slowing down and start to take over.

"At that crucial time, at that pivotal third round, when Nick started to slow down, Carlos started to speed up. So sometimes you can go and use, you can stay away from someone's strengths. Certainly we did that ..."

"In addition to that, you can go after someone's strengths. Nick's strength is pace, and so we wanted to slow down that pace a lot, and let Carlos dictate that."

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so there it is Condit didn't come to fight, he came to win a pka karate points match, & Nick came to fight, & thats what people are pissed about, Cowboy Ceronie is the real "natural born killer" of jackson's gym, not Condit

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Originally Posted by Jacob Allen

Greg Jackson's point of view:

Jackson: I'm sorry there's flack on the Internet, but ...

In a recent interview with Sherdog, perennial Coach of the Year Greg Jackson, lays out and defends the strategy Carlos Condit used to defeat Nick Diaz Saturday night at UFC 143 for the Wleterweight Interim title.

"That was the game plan," said Jackson. "When you are fighting a guy like Nick who is so amazing and he does things so well, the last thing you want to do is sit kind of flat footed and get in a face punching contest with him.

"And so 'm sorry there's flack going around the Internet, but If you don't appreciate the way Muhammad Ali or Sugar Ray Leonard or some of these great guys that do their sticking and moving, I don't know what to tell you.

"I am not going to tell my guy to do what the other guy is really really good at. and then throw the dice and win It seems to me the smart thing to do would be to hit him a lot and then not get hit.

"I'm no rocket scientist, but hitting a lot and not getting hit … sounds like a good idea."

"Part of our game plan was the body attack, with the legs and the body. That attack came to fruition. It is kind of like investing in a bank - you are putting your money in in the early rounds, and then you start slowing down and start to take over.

"At that crucial time, at that pivotal third round, when Nick started to slow down, Carlos started to speed up. So sometimes you can go and use, you can stay away from someone's strengths. Certainly we did that ..."

"In addition to that, you can go after someone's strengths. Nick's strength is pace, and so we wanted to slow down that pace a lot, and let Carlos dictate that."

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The strategy was fine. What Condit and Jackson fail to understand is that such a strategy should have been used to KO Diaz in the later rounds. Instead, they just maintained their lead and plodded along safely. Ali capitalized on his ability to evade punches by finishing many of his opponents, that desire to finish was completely lacking in Condit's fight. Strategically, their plan seemed incomplete. Alright, you slowed Diaz down, now finish him.

Again, I say this as a fan. Strategically, they made the right call (obviously) but I can't say that I'm looking forward to another Condit fight. Give me a glass jawed Imanari fight any day over that stuff.

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Originally Posted by Cody Kietzman

You should Google the word ironic...

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LOL. That's funny. I say it's ironic because you're accusing people of closed mindedness but you're not considering the other side. I can say, hey, I understand why people think Diaz won. People value walking forward and punches to be more valuable than controlling distance, accuracy, volume, and effective striking. So I can see why people think that way. Therefore, I'm not closed minded. On the other hand, it seems you might be. Looking at things objectively, with no bias, the scoring was accurate. Looking at things with personal preference, you can say you prefer the way Nick fought and so he deserved to win. One is objective. The other is subjective. Who's really being closed minded?

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Originally Posted by David Stager

I don't dispute that Condit earned his reputation. Before this fight he only had one win by decision. But this was not the fight to take an off night from being a killer. This was supposed to be the culmination of two careers defined by bad-assery. Nick Diaz would have been Condit's most impressive scalp to date, and vice versa. But Condit opted for the safe route to victory.

And please, PLEASE! Stop making it sound like I expected a finish. Diaz didn't finish Penn, but he looked impressive nonetheless. There wasn't anything impressive about Condit's win over Diaz.

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Winning the stand up against a guy who's as dangerous as Diaz is impressive. Not falling into the trap that Nick sets is impressive. Controlling the pace that Nick usually sets is impressive. It may not have been brutal or violent, but it was tactical as hell. Perception is everything.

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Originally Posted by derrick ikwueme

D[/dude what are you talking about ? Ko Nick, Condit didn't come to "Fight" let alone ko anybody, Nick came to ko condit, & condit came to point fight, thats what people are pissed about

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I've never known a flying knee to be thrown to score points. People are ASSUMING Condit wasn't trying to KO him. I agree, Condit didn't spend the whole fight throwing haymakers, but I could tell he was trying to finish at certain points. He just couldn't. Nick's got a good chin.

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Originally Posted by derrick ikwueme

dude are you forgetting the fact that most of the flash strikes condit through didn't hit shit, so throwing is just like landing ? & Nick can't knock out someone who turns there back & runs to avoid combat, & when condit did stand in the pocket he got tagged with head & body combos, & don't forget Nick's flurry in 2nd round, the judges just ignored that shit

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Exactly, you can't knock someone out with crappy footwork. It's equally Nick's fault for not being able to break out of his linear fight style. IMO, the best punches Nick landed was a nice body combo. Other than that, he did a lot of chasing, not a lot of effective striking though. The judges didn't ignore it. Condit just landed more. One good flurry vs a whole fight of control and counter striking doesn't win fights.

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Originally Posted by derrick ikwueme

so there it is Condit didn't come to fight, he came to win a pka karate points match, & Nick came to fight, & thats what people are pissed about, Cowboy Ceronie is the real "natural born killer" of jackson's gym, not Condit

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I'm not sure where you got that idea. If I were Condit, I'd do the same thing. Try to wear him down then get the KO in later rounds. I'm thinking that punch leg kick head kick combo was for that. Nick just shook it off. Can't assume a guy's not trying just because he can't do something.