training question - or is more about implementation?

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One of the main problems many have with drilling techs and making them apply is how and when they are taught. Many coaches show isolated random techs. A halfguard sweep, then a mount escape, followed by a guard sub. This gives you one move in a position to try to shove down an opponents throat, who is defending(and probably did the drills too). This is ineffective and a setup for frustration and failure.

Techs should be presented in series, because there are always counters and defense. But these counters and defenses leave holes to be countered themselves. Start with and master the original drill. Realize that he will intelligently react and defend, then drill your counter. It keeps going and whoever runs out of counters or gets controlled first loses.
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I noticed this big difference when I went to Vegas. They taught a series of xguard and butterfly moves over three days. I liked that a lot. I also liked Maste eddie's seminar I was able to attend, because everything was broken down and then the counters were shown.

So training should be transition-sweep-guard pass-submission? Did I miss a step?

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Originally Posted by Aaron Gustaveson

One thing that my coach told me has proved valuable on this topic, you want to split your rolling in thirds. ie one third of the time roll with people that you have no chance of tapping, 1/3 w/people at your level and 1/3 with people you can always tap. This give you a chance to play around with stuff on the guys that aren't so good yet.

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See, this is what I love about this site, different perspectives and experiences I can learn from. I have avoided rolling with people not as good as me, as I believed I would learn more by people that were better than me. I see your instructors point, it is live drilling so to speak, very interesting.

Thanks to everyone that has given me more food for thought. I appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by VictorV

So training should be transition-sweep-guard pass-submission? Did I miss a step?

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Many.

Teach me, Wise Ones. We begin training Wednesday and I kinda want to have some sort of clue what to do. The blue belt who is our senior guy won't be back from work-ups until the 9th.

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Originally Posted by VictorV

Teach me, Wise Ones. We begin training Wednesday and I kinda want to have some sort of clue what to do. The blue belt who is our senior guy won't be back from work-ups until the 9th.

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the first time the instructor walks away and tells you to take people through warm ups is always a crazy thing because although you've done everything a million times by then, you have to ignore the fact that you were just given the honor of leading the class and jump right on it without standing there looking stupid for 5 seconds.

So you're gonna have people stretch out (if they're not supposed to do that beforehand) and then take em through warm ups. There are the warm up series on MTS and/or jui jitsu sit-ups, yes/no/i dont know neck exercises, umpa's, ebi's, standing sitting in base ect. then your gonna demonstrate and drill technique. As long as you know your group and dont have any problem guys, just roll after drilling. If you have any rules like no leglocks for white belts normally then just remind people so they dont try to get away with it on your watch.

Just be confident and dont teach above your level.

Where do you live? Im meeting up with a couple nibiru myself soon, could be the genesis of the humboldt hotbox.

I live in Norfolk, VA. I've never had any kind of formal jiu jitsu training. There's going to be about 4 or 5 of us starting up tomorrow and none of us ahve ever met before. But I'm hoping it's the start of the Norfolk Hotbox.

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Originally Posted by Josh Bodmon

For me, framing (always when on bottom, whether be with knees in a z guard, or with my arms while side mounted or in an open guard, etc), gripping (and developing my grip game aswell as my overhook/underhook consciousness and proficiency), along with constantly trying to work on basics (basic passes, sweeps, etc that I can expand on later and always go back to when trying things in live rolling) have made a huge difference in my success, efficiency, and ability to then expand and work in all sorts of fun stuff into my game

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I can attest to this. Last class we rolled at, your frame work and your guard work was amazing bro. Leaps and bounds. You were never in a rush for a sub, but when you had it, your positioning ensured you had it.

Sugggest to your partners or instructors to run situational rolling sessions. With short round intervals. Sean Bollinger and Jeremy fields are always running these kinds of drills and they really help for both offensive and defensive purposes.

One suggestion that i would make is to never underestimate visualizing a move in your head, each and every detail of the move with exactly where and what you should do with every part of your body. This has helped me leaps in bounds in learning moves. It wasnt a very good skill for me right off the bat, but it now allows me to really visualize a move while im at work or doing something else. It also has really shown its potential when taking a video of a move ive seen online (where i get all my 10p moves from) and bringing them to class, and actually hitting them, and hitting them often, or even teaching others the move.

one other thing id recommend that helps me a lot is when focusing on a move, lets just say americana in this case, i look up at least several different instructors teaching the move from the same position. That allows me to see the little tweaks and differences in each instructors americana move, and take the most effective version of it (for me) and use it. I cant say enough about how closing my eyes and visualization has helped me but there is zero replacement for getting on the mat. cant be on the mat all the time though :(

I cant say how many times i have watched a move online, lets say banana split from truck for this example, and i visualize and get it all ready in my head to try and hit someone in class even if i have never tried it before, and i never get an opportunity to go for it all day. thats kind of frustrating, but the good thing is i can try again tomorrow!

hope this helps someone. take care!