Schaub wasted cyborgs time, the crowds, and the people watching at home. Whats worse, is that matches like that drive people away from becoming fans.
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Schaub wasted cyborgs time, the crowds, and the people watching at home. Whats worse, is that matches like that drive people away from becoming fans.
+1,000 Just because he held Lavar Johnson down for three rounds does not mean he is ready to roll with world champions. I would feel so disrespected if I was Cyborg. If I had friends watching Jiu Jitsu for the first time how would I explain that behavior to them? It was embarrassing. He embarrassed himself and he embarrassed the Gracie's. Keep it playful still means you have to grapple asshole!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Carbone
Dick head said it best "he makes his living fighting in the ufc" he doesn't give a fudge about the money he would get from this nor the glory nor the fame it was very much just a advertisement for the gracie academy i bet it gets mentioned on the next gracie breakdown and ryron and rener will be well thats the grandmasters jiu jitsu and he wanted you to buy this juicer and gracie diet book etc etc
and takers i've got 5 bucks
Exactly. What the hell did you sign up for if not to GRAPPLE at the GRAPPLING invitational?! He would have the respect of the jiu jitsu world right now if he'd gone in there, attacked with everything he had, and gotten tapped in two minutes. There is no shame in losing a great fight to a great fighter. But you have to put up a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
Sidebar: If Cyborg had dropped an anvil on him or painted a tunnel on the wall do think he'd have had a better chance of catching Schaub?
Rener Gracie (who I have immense respect for) after the match (To the crowd) said "What would you do against cyborg?" Personally, I would have probably wound up jogging around the mat as well... not gonna lie.
But if I knew that people were gonna pay money to see it, I wouldn't have taken the fight.
I still have to give respect to Schaub for jumping in there with the best in the world without ANY PREVIOUS grappling tournament experience.
Have to admit i agree, ok you didn't want to play his game, thats fine, but he didn't play any kind of game at all... not engaging and then bailing as soon as there was contact.
The excuses were terrible, tactics, it's cyborgs fault for sitting down... ugh!
It doesn't matter what any of us would do against Cyborg, what mattered was what Schuab was supposed to do against Cyborg: grapple. He said he makes his living in the UFC and isn't about to let Cyborg take a leg home. THEN DON'T SIGN ON TO A 20 MINUTE SUBMISSION ONLY GRAPPLING MATCH WITH CYBORG!Quote:
Originally Posted by rickdawson
Look, the guy's an elite athlete and a UFC fighter, I'm not trying to sit here and say I'd kick his ass because I'm not delusional. What I am saying is that he ought to have had more respect for Cyborg and the people who paid to see the damn show.
This is reminiscent of what Anderson Silva did against Maia, but reversed in a way. Silva could have easily finished Maia, EASILY, but he chose to clown around and disrespect his opponent, the UFC and the fans. Schuab knew going into this that he was supposed to grapple, and only grapple, and he didn't do that.
If you watched that match you know that Schaub had no intention of grappling with Cyborg at all. He was pushing the head to simulate action (to the point of looking like an absolute clown) then would ask Cyborg to stand up AND THEN NEVER TRY TO TAKE HIM DOWN. So maybe it's like someone was saying and he was waiting for a guillotine.. Christ what a sad excuse for a brown belt, world class athlete. If you can't win, then you try hard and lose, like someone said. You fucking get choked out. It's jiu jitsu and that's what happens when you fight someone better.
On a side-note.. Not only are people paying for the fights but the fighters are being paid. I PERSONALLY would have given my best against Cyborg and got tapped - doesn't make me any less of a grappler. Ego was what that was. That shit isn't about surviving - you're being paid to be put on a stage and showcase jiu jitsu - not look like a typical fucking retarded MMA faggot and then call out Mitrione in the same breath as saying you're doing this to give back to Jiu jitsu.
You nailed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Carbone
Schaub should be full of apologies, and it was pathetic the way that Gracie tried to defend his constant running-backwards-tactics to the crowd by saying "Well you may not have liked it, but if you were up here fighting Cyborg, what would you do?"
Well guess what, genius? I'm NOT up there fighting Cyborg. Neither is the crowd. I am not in the league of Jiu Jitsu player that he is and wouldn't last 3 seconds. That's why I'm not up there, and that's why the crowd wasn't up there.
That is also why Schaub should not have been up there.
That was not a Jiu Jitsu match. That was an embarrassment. He should have never accepted the match if he was not going to play Jiu Jitsu.
Schaub lacks warriors spirit.