Oswaldo Fadda: The OG Gracie Rival

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Originally Posted by David Rosado

Easy to understand why all of Fadda's students ethered the Gracies with leg locks. But I mean, if that's the case, wouldn't it make even more sense to train them? It's pretty much check mate. And can't the same be said about armbars? With the sleeves and friction, wouldn't those also be hard to escape? IDK man, seems like a cop out on their end. Bring back reaping and heel hooks. At least at brown and up.

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I think the "Fear" of leg locks, is what keeps people from learning them, and appropriately defending them. I was once afraid, but no longer, I invite everyone to jump on my feet, ankles, and legs. I want to walk through "the fire" that eddie talks about, because especially in NoGi and in the absolute tournaments, that's what you're seeing little guys do to big guys, along with quick back takes, and flying shit.

Listen guys, while I agree that ibjjf rules are dumb, you're missing the bigger point here.

The story of how BJJ was created, as we know it, is a lie.

If you check out his lineage, it does not contain a Gracie. There were at least two families that created the martial art we love so dearly. The Gracies were the better marketers, however, and won the reputation war. This man was not in BJJ for the money. He gave freely of his knowledge and spread our art to those who could not afford it.

Sean Applegate told us of a story that happened to him, which I hope he comes on here to tell it, but basically those from the Fadda line (mostly in Brazil) either love us or have no problem with us. It's only the Gracies, the marketers.

The Helio filter idea is a lie.

I posted this a while ago. http://www.10thplanetjj.com/threads/...=Oswaldo+Fadda

The link doesn't work...? I smell a conspiracy. I think the Gracies are deleting all "Fadda" history.

The link I had was a lot more detailed. Fadda and his team easily beat Helio & the Gracie team both times.

Who gave Fadda his rank?

There was actually two different challenge events. With Fadda and his team winning both easily.

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Originally Posted by David Rosado

Instead of seeing a hole they needed to close, they just labeled them cheap moves.

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Couldn't agree more. The essence of the collective ego, right therrre.

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Originally Posted by Joshua Jarboe

Who gave Fadda his rank?

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Who gave Carlos Gracie his?

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Originally Posted by Joshua Jarboe

Who gave Fadda his rank?

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Mitsuyo Maeda → Luiz França → Oswaldo Fadda

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Originally Posted by Jack LaBarge

Who gave Carlos Gracie his?

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The Gracie’s sons trained with Maeda for somewhere between 2 to 4 years. Maeda then moved to another part of Brazil.

In 1925, Carlos Gracie opened his own Jiu-Jitsu school. Similar to Jigoro Kano, Gracie had 4 years training (and possibly less) ....Carlos was maybe a purple belt at best( today's standarts) when he first opened his school. Nobody belted him or gave him rank.

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Originally Posted by John Mejia

I think the "Fear" of leg locks, is what keeps people from learning them, and appropriately defending them. I was once afraid, but no longer, I invite everyone to jump on my feet, ankles, and legs. I want to walk through "the fire" that eddie talks about, because especially in NoGi and in the absolute tournaments, that's what you're seeing little guys do to big guys, along with quick back takes, and flying shit.

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And I think that fear was blown out of proportion. I've only been injured twice. Once from a bad judo fall. Once from an overzealous armbar. And I trained with leg lock killers. The leg lock danger is a myth IMO.

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Originally Posted by Ross Davidson

Listen guys, while I agree that ibjjf rules are dumb, you're missing the bigger point here.

The story of how BJJ was created, as we know it, is a lie.

If you check out his lineage, it does not contain a Gracie. There were at least two families that created the martial art we love so dearly. The Gracies were the better marketers, however, and won the reputation war. This man was not in BJJ for the money. He gave freely of his knowledge and spread our art to those who could not afford it.

Sean Applegate told us of a story that happened to him, which I hope he comes on here to tell it, but basically those from the Fadda line (mostly in Brazil) either love us or have no problem with us. It's only the Gracies, the marketers.

The Helio filter idea is a lie.

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Oh no, I get your point. That's why I brought up the leg locks. That's what Fadda's team use to win most of the matches. Then "coincidentally" leg locks are considered cheap and reaping is evil and bla bla bla. I'm just using leg locks as an example of Fadda's erasure.