Garry Tonon vs Mansher Singh Khera (Marcelo Garcia brown belt)

Very tricky attempt by Tonon just before the 15 min mark. When he was shoving Mansher's reaping foot deeper into the reap, it looked like he was trying to do the move you normally do on the non-reaping leg where you make sure the toes are trapped and then pull up on the heel.

Sorry, I know that is a pretty unclear description of what I am trying to say. But, it's the move Lister shows in his seminars (and iirc on his latest instructional) as the rationale for not putting the non-reaping foot under the same leg you are attacking.

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Originally Posted by Jack Hanley

Very tricky attempt by Tonon just before the 15 min mark. When he was shoving Mansher's reaping foot deeper into the reap, it looked like he was trying to do the move you normally do on the non-reaping leg where you make sure the toes are trapped and then pull up on the heel.

Sorry, I know that is a pretty unclear description of what I am trying to say. But, it's the move Lister shows in his seminars (and iirc on his latest instructional) as the rationale for not putting the non-reaping foot under the same leg you are attacking.

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You can do it on both, On the reaping leg its a inverted heel hook, and on the non-reaping leg its a standard heel hook. In order for it to work well on the reaping leg, the opponent has to be outside facing.

Awesome match. Tonon looked a little tired to me - his schedule has been pretty mad as of late. Munch though looked immune to anything thrown at him - it's funny because you'd think with Marcelo not liking footlocks that would be the one area of his game that'd be lacking, but I don't think I've seen another guy as relaxed as he was when you have that monster (Garry) grabbing at your feet!

I'm really glad more no-gi tournaments are adopting the negative point for guard pulling.

It looks like this match was ADCC Finals rules (negative points for guard pulling at any time) instead of ADCC Qualifying Round rules (only negative points for guard pulls in the points period). (See here).

This match was exciting, and is an excellent counterpoint to the people who fault the ADCC guard pull punishments for producing the boredom of the last Cobrinha/Rafa Final. Eventually, the rule should just weed out all the high level guys who can't function without the guard pull.

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Originally Posted by Jack Hanley

I'm really glad more no-gi tournaments are adopting the negative point for guard pulling.

It looks like this match was ADCC Finals rules (negative points for guard pulling at any time) instead of ADCC Qualifying Round rules (only negative points for guard pulls in the points period). (See here).

This match was exciting, and is an excellent counterpoint to the people who fault the ADCC guard pull punishments for producing the boredom of the last Cobrinha/Rafa Final. Eventually, the rule should just weed out all the high level guys who can't function without the guard pull.

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Isn't heart-breaking a match of this calibre is going on with the opponents making near nothing, it being aired only via social media and with hardly anyone knowing about it? It breaks my heart that JiuJitsu has so many athletes at such a high level going unrecognised whilst athletes in other sports are getting paid $/£millions to sit on benches.

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Originally Posted by Apperz

Isn't heart-breaking a match of this calibre is going on with the opponents making near nothing, it being aired only via social media and with hardly anyone knowing about it? It breaks my heart that JiuJitsu has so many athletes at such a high level going unrecognised whilst athletes in other sports are getting paid $/£millions to sit on benches.

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100%. The flip side of that coin is that maybe someday there will be dudes looking back at us with envy because we got to experience grappling in its golden age when people did it just for the love of the sport instead of the money.

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Originally Posted by Jack Hanley

I'm really glad more no-gi tournaments are adopting the negative point for guard pulling.

It looks like this match was ADCC Finals rules (negative points for guard pulling at any time) instead of ADCC Qualifying Round rules (only negative points for guard pulls in the points period). (See here).

This match was exciting, and is an excellent counterpoint to the people who fault the ADCC guard pull punishments for producing the boredom of the last Cobrinha/Rafa Final. Eventually, the rule should just weed out all the high level guys who can't function without the guard pull.

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Yeah, its great Munch lost for a guard pull, lol

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Originally Posted by Jack Hanley

100%. The flip side of that coin is that maybe someday there will be dudes looking back at us with envy because we got to experience grappling in its golden age when people did it just for the love of the sport instead of the money.

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Interesting point Jack. And if in the future, high level grappling matches like these become a high revenue *for all involved* event, they probably will look back and romanticize this "Golden Age" of the sport, but I'm also pretty sure that they'll rightfully expect, appreciate, and depend on their future high incomes *the dream right?* to feed themselves and their families and loved ones. So yes, there will be a time when this time period will probably be highly romanticized. By then though, are we going to be telling "back in my day stories?"

-us "Back in my day, we used to walk to jiu jitsu class, uphill, BOTH WAYS, IN THE SNOW!......BAREFOOT!"

-future grandkids "Mom, Grandpa Jitsu is telling back in my day stories again!"

http://martialartsottawa.com/wp-cont...66715977_n.jpg

This is the closest picture I could find of a non-specific grandpa doing jiu jitz.

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Originally Posted by Liquidrob

Yeah, its great Munch lost for a guard pull, lol

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One interesting thing is Tonon still ended up playing guard quite a bit. He was just able to do it without sitting or butt scooting.

Munch got penalized when he sat. Penalizing sitting down as a form of combat makes sense to me.

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Originally Posted by Enrique "Kiko"

Interesting point Jack. And if in the future, high level grappling matches like these become a high revenue *for all involved* event, they probably will look back and romanticize this "Golden Age" of the sport, but I'm also pretty sure that they'll rightfully expect, appreciate, and depend on their future high incomes *the dream right?* to feed themselves and their families and loved ones. So yes, there will be a time when this time period will probably be highly romanticized. By then though, are we going to be telling "back in my day stories?"

-us "Back in my day, we used to walk to jiu jitsu class, uphill, BOTH WAYS, IN THE SNOW!......BAREFOOT!"

-future grandkids "Mom, Grandpa Jitsu is telling back in my day stories again!"

http://martialartsottawa.com/wp-cont...66715977_n.jpg

This is the closest picture I could find of a non-specific grandpa doing jiu jitz.

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I totally agree. Even if grappling blows up and guys look back on this era as a golden age of grappling, they probably won't ever want to trade salaries with today's grapplers.