Well how I see it there are a couple of different kinds of BJJ you can learn. You can learn it with a Gi, with no Gi, for MMA and for self defense. Although No-Gi and MMA are a bit similar their are thing really different in every branch of BJJ.
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Well how I see it there are a couple of different kinds of BJJ you can learn. You can learn it with a Gi, with no Gi, for MMA and for self defense. Although No-Gi and MMA are a bit similar their are thing really different in every branch of BJJ.
I find that rather insulting that you say there will be biased opinions on here. I think 10th planet as a group are more than capable of removing our own personal preferences and look at the pros and cons of studying in and out of the gi.Quote:
Originally Posted by The kza
To me it all depends on what your looking for. If you want to fight mma, then studying in the gi seems rather pointless to me as all mma matches are fought without the gi. Thus the techniques you will be practicing with the gi may not directly translate over to the no gi mma format, due to gi techniques relying more on sleeve and collar controls. Just as judo won't translate well into competeting in wrestling matches. For self defense purposes the gi could be useful as it simulates a hoody or a jacket. But then again no gi techniques will also work in street fight situations. There is absolutely loads of discussion on this topic. Submissions 101 which has both gi and no gi guys seem to cover the topic pretty comprehensively, if you search there website.The whole arguement that the gi is better for teaching fundamentals seems nul and void to me and irrational, despite alot of the great bjj guys saying thats the way to go. I think it all depends on what you want to focus on. I would actual say gi practioners are alot more biased towards the gi than no gi guys are towards no gi, they seem to want to make excuses and invent usefulness for the gi when when a bit of rational thought is applied seems to hold no weight.
I personal train in the gi as i love collar chokes. But i try and take keith owen's approach and be diverse as possible,and have as many gi and no gi techniques a spossible, its not going to make you worse off.
you should start NOGI if you want to be the greatest of all time.
but i hear the gi is useful if your under attack by a rapist in a jean jacket, from what i hear, denim and leather is just like the GI. Renato Larange is right about the GI being the best, so think about it. maybe watch some Renato videos and see how good he is, from what i hear there's video of him vs eddie bravo.
No Gi jiu jitsu is a great starting place if you can find some OCD instructors. OCD instructors are obsessed with "exact" technique, not "close-enough" technique. Time and time again I've found that Gi guys and 10th Planet Jiu jitsu guys are the most OCD NoGi practitioners out there. Without exact technique, your kinda missing the point.
I've had matches in the thousands in No Gi. I've only trained 15 times in Gi. What I get caught in when rolling gi(brown and black belt level) is collar chokes, but even that is hard to get on me. For mma you won't have to worry about collar chokes though.
If you can't find any OCD NoGi guys, then go gi for about 3-6 months, while doing your NoGi. After that period, in my opinion, you should be able to hang your gi up for a long while.
I am aiming more for techniques that are directly applicable to MMA, so i think i'll take your advice and try no-gi. will i still advance in rank?
10th Planet Ranking is all NoGiQuote:
Originally Posted by Jordan Clayton
Just as long as you start something, somewhere, in time this will answer itself. 10p is def the fast track for offensive grappling imo.
that's a great way to put it, rick!Quote:
Originally Posted by Slick Rick
rickson said that perfect technique is down to the millimeter. that leaves a lot of room to constantly strive to make your training more precise, and helps you see what to look for in a quality instructor, as well.
Good info Brandon.. Where did Rickson talk about perfect technique in? I'd love to read/watch it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
But it's so true, I was talking with Bollinger last night about this same topic. He agreed, if you strive to be precise on your movements, it'll make you a better grappler. The systems in 10th Planet are so set on exact technique, because the next technique weighs heavily on how you executed, with precision, the first technique.
Have you noticed how getting perfect technique in jiu jitsu has translated to other aspects of your life, and vice versa? It's awesome!
i've had the privilege of training with him a few times and that was something he mentioned at the end of our training once. he's not only an incredible technician, but an excellent teacher, as well. he stresses principles, concepts, and philosophies over specific techniques. one of his primary principles is what he calls "invisible jiu jitsu," which is basically his way of teaching you to connect with your opponent in a precise way and with leverage and efficiency based techniques.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slick Rick