I think its all the above...corrupt politicians, corrupt corporations, corrupt LEO's, and the list can go on and always will unless we get more people like Ron Paul, Jeff, or whoever has the means to get their voice heard and the truth out.
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I think its all the above...corrupt politicians, corrupt corporations, corrupt LEO's, and the list can go on and always will unless we get more people like Ron Paul, Jeff, or whoever has the means to get their voice heard and the truth out.
Valid points for sure. Definitely, if not, severely overdue time for a change most definitely.
You can always vote people out of the White House. It doesn't work the same with Wall Street. People have no say in what a few people do with everyone's money. They can't vote to get it back. It's a common move of the media to keep people mad at the government which people can control with their votes, but it rarely attacks people in power who can't be voted out like Wall Street fat cats or Corporate CEO's or the Rothschilds or the Rockefellers who may be even more powerful than the government.Quote:
Originally Posted by DBK
these people cant do anything without corrupt politicians...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Watkins
all the laws that they use to manipulate everything in their favor, are created by our law makers (the corrupt politicians)...
if our law makers were not corrupt, the fat cats money would do nothing...
i have personally dealt with a corrupt local government in dallas tx. we used to own a apt complex in dallas that the city wanted to demo, so they sued us, we fought them for 3 years before we finally threw in the towel and let them take it. (during the fight i was approached by a city counsel person who said they could take care of my problem for 10k) i refused to pay, so they kept the lawsuit going until we could not fight anymore. (it is a much longer story with plenty of corrupt people, this is the short version). it has since been bulldozed.
moral of the story, if i was a corrupt business person (small or big) i could have paid off the corrupt politicians to get what i wanted.
the problem is not the big name of someone or how much money they have...
the problem is corruption...
Voting someone out isn't the problem. You need to change laws. Wall street gets their power from government. Look at the housing bubble, who caused it? government backed loans to banks which were then exacerbated by wallstreet and given out ARM's to people knowing full well they couldn't afford them. Govt --> Banks --> wallstreet --> peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by Jon Watkins
If we assume all corporations are greedy, they are purely motivated by profits basically what they did was drink the alcohol government poored. people have all the say in what corporations do with their money. if people decide to stop shopping at sears over the holidays, they close 100 stores. of course corporatism is a problem but it would be way less of a problem if the government didn't have so much power. For example getting rid of lobbying or two year presidential campaigns would be a good step.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdLBzfFGFQU
I do understand "governments make the rules" but who's pockets do you think they are in?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqN3amj6AcE
Governments don't rule the world. Goldman Sachs rules the world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EewGMBOB4Gg
See Corporatocracy at about 38 min mark.
Well government doesn't rule the world and neither do corporations. He is right about profiting from stupid decisions though . Thats exactly what my point was earlier. Corporations are businesses nothing more, that are as powerful as their shareholders. Goldman Sachs received a 10 billion dollar bailout from the TARP funds. So basically government socialized losses, instead of letting them fail (which is what should have happened). They also got hammered by the bubble, so almost overnight they lost a tun of their influence and power, just like Merill Lynch. Same can be said about GM, Chrysler and a bunch of other companies. Now of course you can argue that they got TARP funds because they have influence in the government but if the government didnt have the power to bailout failing companies to begin with (which would be possible with a smaller government) then that eliminates the problem altogether.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Watkins
As for the second video, i have heard that argument a million times and that always comes up in poli sci debates. Of course theres corruption and problems and its not perfect, but the problem is what is better than capitalism? those guys want equality and more government.
I totally get what your saying btw, seriously i was taught the same stuff in my economics classes. I mean the guy that wrote my economics book was ben bernanke the head of the friking FED lol. Keynesianism and what we have right now is supported because its easy, you can print more money and keep everything alot so politicians can get re-elected.
heres some good links. theres a really good book too if your interested i can email it you. the first chapter is really good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGL-Ex1CD1c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi-D24oCa10
Sure you can send me an email. My address is jonathan.watkins6644@yahoo.com
Corruption is a side show. A real problem, yes, but insignificant next to the absurd amount of inequality that's built into our economic system (i.e. Capitalism). When a corrupt politician or wall street trader gets busted, he is playing the fall-guy for countless other leeches. Sure, Bernie Madoff deserved to go jail, but so did a lot of bankers. It wasn't that Bernie Madoff's corruption was more severe than theirs (if anything he was small-potatoes), but their brand of corruption is so insidious, so monumental in scope, so fundamentally part of the system, that we don't even recognize it as corruption. It's just business.