Moves dont make you better.

You go knee on belly. They turn away. You put your knee on belly foot down in front of your opponents belly button. The other knee goes under his head like a pillow. You pull him over the pillow and now you have you hooks in

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Originally Posted by brent_littell

Movement does.

I could know four hundred submissions really well and never pull off one because I could not get in position.

I make this point because I see movement as under taught.

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I think it is most prominent in UFC when guys get mounted or have their back taken, when they stop moving they lose. Simple as that.

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Originally Posted by brent_littell

Movement does.

I could know four hundred submissions really well and never pull off one because I could not get in position.

I make this point because I see movement as under taught.

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For sure. Excellent insight.

Excellent point. Watch MG videos over and over and hope some sinks in eventually!!

More seriously, this has been a hot topic for me lately. I was taught with a gi and did not learn movement very well when I had the chance, and is very much lacking for me in my game, though I understand what your saying mentally, it is harder for me to grow with it physically. Since I am the most qualified person in our area to run a class (which ain't saying much) I am the leader by default. I need to grow and learn along with the rest of the people in the class. Maybe some instructors can give me some pointers. Teaching side- knee on belly-to back, loses the interest in class real fast. Every body wants to learn moves and submissions. Sure it is no different in your classes. How do you deal with it? I went for a while just showing move after move. Most are forgotten and never used. Note: i do this for free, so I sure don't want to be a hard ass. Spent 4 classes now teaching butterfly's and getting fluid at flipping the in/out from many different positions. Last night was a big class and most were tuned out, buttefly's yeh, yeh. They just can't wait to roll. If you don't have a black belt to teach you movement first hand how can we learn? I need them to grow in this so I can? Sorry for the long post, but I'm really struggling to break through on this. Any insite greatly appreciated.

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More seriously, this has been a hot topic for me lately. I was taught with a gi and did not learn movement very well when I had the chance, and is very much lacking for me in my game, though I understand what your saying mentally, it is harder for me to grow with it physically. Since I am the most qualified person in our area to run a class (which ain't saying much) I am the leader by default. I need to grow and learn along with the rest of the people in the class. Maybe some instructors can give me some pointers. Teaching side- knee on belly-to back, loses the interest in class real fast. Every body wants to learn moves and submissions. Sure it is no different in your classes. How do you deal with it? I went for a while just showing move after move. Most are forgotten and never used. Note: i do this for free, so I sure don't want to be a hard ass. Spent 4 classes now teaching butterfly's and getting fluid at flipping the in/out from many different positions. Last night was a big class and most were tuned out, buttefly's yeh, yeh. They just can't wait to roll. If you don't have a black belt to teach you movement first hand how can we learn? I need them to grow in this so I can? Sorry for the long post, but I'm really struggling to break through on this. Any insite greatly appreciated.

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I've never taught martial arts, but I strongly believe the way that my teacher (Coach Herzog) teaches is great. I'm thinking that a lot of 10th planet does it this way. Rather than running through new submissions or fancy guards every class, we run through effective paths on how to get there FIRST. We rep the movements leading up to each move before we even get to the submission. I'm guessing the idea is to get us used to the movement so that it's second nature so that it's easier for us to find ourself in perfect position FOR the submission.


I have Andre Galvao's Drill to win book. If only I had the floorspace, I'd be repping those motions every day.

You have to understand the concept completely to effectively teach it. To get the guys to see the benefits you have to smash them with the concepts. Just keep teachin what you know and use for now, but keep studying and workin hard. Try to travel and train with other good instructors and grapplers as much as possible and keep passing on what you can. Tryin to teach concepts you dont use or understand fully doesnt usually work well. If its a new tech or flow you want to learn, get one of your best guys and drill, talk about, and study it before.

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Originally Posted by brent_littell

You go knee on belly. They turn away. You put your knee on belly foot down in front of your opponents belly button. The other knee goes under his head like a pillow. You pull him over the pillow and now you have you hooks in

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I'd love a video series focusing on movements like this or maybe a section of MTS could be dedicated to it. I need to work on work on proper movement so much.

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You have to understand the concept completely to effectively teach it. To get the guys to see the benefits you have to smash them with the concepts. Just keep teachin what you know and use for now, but keep studying and workin hard. Try to travel and train with other good instructors and grapplers as much as possible and keep passing on what you can. Tryin to teach concepts you dont use or understand fully doesnt usually work well. If its a new tech or flow you want to learn, get one of your best guys and drill, talk about, and study it till before.

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I traveled a lot in my gi days, and rolled with hundreds of different people. BUT, I was downstate over the Holidays and went to a good gym and rolled no-gi with a bunch of guys from that gym. Man that was an eyeopener! I had good solid technique, but they just had great movement. When I could snag it, my HG lockdown seemed to be the only thing to slow them down. I could then do my HG game and sweep-teister side to mount pretty well. But I tell ya what, I was never able to get closed guard on anyone, let alone rubber guard. Too much movement. I want more!! Thanks for the advice.

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I traveled a lot in my gi days, and rolled with hundreds of different people. BUT, I was downstate over the Holidays and went to a good gym and rolled no-gi with a bunch of guys from that gym. Man that was an eyeopener! I had good solid technique, but they just had great movement. When I could snag it, my HG lockdown seemed to be the only thing to slow them down. I could then do my HG game and sweep-teister side to mount pretty well. But I tell ya what, I was never able to get closed guard on anyone, let alone rubber guard. Too much movement. I want more!! Thanks for the advice.

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It sounds like you may be struggling with the speed of the no gi game, as well as the lack of handles.

Out of curiosity, what rank did you achieve in the gi and who did you get it from?