loyalty is one thing, being an open and progressive human being is another.
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loyalty is one thing, being an open and progressive human being is another.
There is a proper way to leave your team and move on and there is what Terra did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha Primate
He had already left and started his academy months ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cody Kietzman
It was affiliated under Cesar Gracie though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff V
Isn't this whole "loyalty" obsession bad for the growth of bjj athletes. It reminds me of my friends banning the use of certain fighters in a video game because it's a "cheap" character when people just don't want to face adversity and learn to deal with new challenges.
Loyalty is the number one most important thing. My team is my family and cannot surround myself with people who aren't loyal.Quote:
Originally Posted by JakeSevz
In all reality, it's not like Caio was fucking Cesar's wife. I am sure Caio would have told Condit if him and Diaz fought again that he was going to train with Nick on his Open Mat Radio interview, Caio has nothing but admiration for Nick and Nate and stands up for them. Also it's not like Caio didn't learn Condits weaknesses where he could have helped Nick in his training camp. Shit gets complicated when money is involved that is true of anything, love, work, friendships and even family.
Money doesn't come before loyalty. If someone offered me more money to go train with them i would say no. I dont care if Lloyd Irvin wants to make me a damn medal chaser the answer is no always. Too many people let ambition get in the way of what's really important, its our brothers and sisters that we do battle with. The ones that u know will be there if they even think something isn't right. Not the one we can seek to gain the most from financially.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle Spalla
If china offered u more money and better benefits would u join their navy? I should think not because loyalty cannot be bought. Can it?
I was sitting here thinking, (and this is a question for everyone) if your instructor had a falling out with eddie (or your affiliate head) and was no longer affiliated, would u still post here? Would you still try to get rank under eddie? Would you still go to hq? Would u leave your team because u wanted to be associated with eddie? Would u stick with your instructor? Would u still rep 10? If u were belted would u say that u were an eddie blue, purple, brown or would u claim it came from your instructor? If someone offered u more money to teach at their school would you yes? I'm curious to see what u will all say. I don't wasn't to hear anyone avoiding it either with shit like well the caio situation is different. Just answer the questions, keep it to yourself if u have to. You may just learn something about yourself. I really how this does foster some deep thought.
edited - double post
I kinda feel like if these people (your team) really are true friends and like family, they would want you to do what is best for you and your family. For me, my family comes first. Before ANYTHING. As long as he isn't dishing out tips on how to beat his team mates to their opponents I don't see it as a problem. I am sure you trust every member of your team to not dish details on you if training with others for whatever reason, and they will trust you to do the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cody Kietzman
These situations happen all the time though. Whole reason when I joined my new team 8 months ago I made a point from day 1 to state that i train with other people, I am into the whole 10p thing etc etc. Obviously I am loyal to my team (Checkmat) and I compete under their banner, but I wont put up with people being pissy about whom I choose to train or have relationships with. I will not let anyone else make those decisions for me.
As I said in my last post though, we do not, and likely will never know the full in's and out's of the story behind the Cesar/Caio situation. So it is probably unfair for us to judge either way IMO. :-)
Noticed this on BJJ heroes so figured I would post it here as it is relevant to the discussion.
http://www.bjjheroes.com/featured/caio-terra-interview
(Questions are in bold)
Before we go on to the current state of affairs, please explain what your role was at the Cesar Gracie (Gracie Fighter) academy before the break-up?
Before last week I did not teach at Cesar’s academy, I taught at my own academy and a Gracie Fighter affiliate gym in Dublin (CSA). Kirian and MJ are very nice guys and as they were affiliated with Gracie Fighter when I was removed from the team I was asked to not teach there any more.
What kind of a relationship did you have with Cesar Gracie and his team (Diaz brothers, Jake Shields, Melendez and the rest of the crew)?
I respect every one, if they ever needed help or anything I was always willing to help out. Personally I did not know any of them very well. In the past 3 years I’ve seen Cesar maybe 10 times.
How did the opportunity to coach Carlos Condit occur, and why did you decide to take it?
Carlos got a hold of me and asked me to come to New Mexico for a week. At the time I was extremely busy with my own training, my academy and seminars, I hesitated at first but they said it was only a week and there were no obligations. Apparently during that week they really liked me and asked me to come back. For me it was a great week as I got a chance to really talk and get to know Carlos. Whether some one is a good fighter or good jiu jitsu person isn’t that important, what really matters is if they’re good people and Carlos is a phenomenal person! It was both an honour and a pleasure to work with him, I only wish he won the fight as I believe he has all the tools to be the champ.
Were you expecting this reaction from Cesar Gracie after you accepted this role as grappling coach of Condit?
Before I accepted to help I talked with Cesar, at first he wasn’t very nice about it and did not want me to go. After I talked with him about it more he said he was joking around and it was OK I wasn’t quite sure what changed his mind. As for his public reaction it came months after he knew and the day before the event, unfortunately, especially for my students at CSA, he does not want me to help with Gracie Fighter or be affiliated in any way.
Are you going to keep working with the Greg Jackson camp, or was this just for one camp, exclusive to Carlos Condit?
It really is up to them.
Is there anything you would like to say to Cesar Gracie at this point?
I wish every one from Gracie Fighter well. I appreciate all they did and wish things would have turned out differently.
You have recently started your own association, CTBJJA (Caio Terra Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Association), what are your plans for the future with regards to your life as a BJJ coach?
We officially started right before Pan’s, after planning it for a long time (I wore association patches on my gi at pants). This wasn’t a spur of the moment thing, it was many years in the making. I feel currently most associations take more than give. If the goal is to spread jiu jitsu and grow the business than the business and the person should come before the association! It’s simple as the gym grows so does the association, so with this in mind we put gym owners and students first. When you join our association you aren’t buying a name or lineage, you’re joining a group of like minded individuals who really are behind you. I am very excited to see where this goes and am very happy to know we are producing champions on and off the mat.
Any final thoughts you would like to share, with your fans and students?
I’d like to thank every one for the support. I personally would like to apologize to my students that trained with me under the Gracie Fighter affiliations. Keep training guys, respect every one and know that although we no longer are on the same team I will always cheer for you
Ciao has a great attitude based on that interview. Also based on the interview, the Cesar thing rings of douchebaggery.
Gay.Quote:
Before I accepted to help I talked with Cesar, at first he wasn’t very nice about it and did not want me to go. After I talked with him about it more he said he was joking around and it was OK. I wasn’t quite sure what changed his mind. As for his public reaction it came months after he knew and the day before the event
I hope Denny and Einstein are cool with you throwing their personal business out thereQuote:
Originally Posted by derrick ikwueme