I believe our free spirited governments are spraying minute doses of lsd so we can appreciate the love in the world.
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I believe our free spirited governments are spraying minute doses of lsd so we can appreciate the love in the world.
She was in the air force. I listened to the podcast when it came out. I dont remember any physical evidence or resources for data being given? Looking forward to seeing Kristin on Joes show.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
I believe martin was saying that if specialized spraying equipment is being installed/used then it would be extremely hard to keep it secret given the number of civilians that work on the aircraft.
Martin - I think that it is proposed that the chems are put in the jet fuel and passed through the engines, not dispersed using a dedicated spraying device. I dont know because I've asked for more info many times and no one responds.
I live right between 2 airports, Burbank and LAX and I have never seen a commercial airliner with contrails or chemtrails. Maybe they are way too low when near these airports or whatever but I look up everyday multiple times a day and have never witnessed it. I see planes landing and taking off everyday and have never seen it. However I see non-commercial airliners criss crossing over my city all the time spraying something. These planes are coming and going from the Air Force base in the Palmdale area. Again, I have personally never seen contrails or chemtrails coming out of commercial airliners when I study the skies. I don't know what to think when people claim commercial airliners are putting chemicals in their fuel tanks, in my experience chemtrails are coming from military aircraft and non-commercial airliners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron Gustaveson
I listened to the podcast as well and remember thinking that all of her evidence was circumstantial and theories were not probable.
I'll listen to the podcast again (after I finish MTS 59 :) ) but if memory serves correct alot of the evidence was based on soil samples taken on or near military bases which have been around for decades and who knows what kind of contamination was pre-existing to possible chemtrails. I think I remember her mentioning Tinker specifically, which was exposed to a devasting tornado in 1999. I would be interested in knowing the full effects of wrecked planes, houses, fuel and chemicals that were spread into and remain a part of the environment on and near Tinker (and if that was taken into consideration).
BTW Eddie you are my KISS, you are like a father to me. I hope to someday corner you at a bar and tell you how cool you are (seriously :) ). Thanks for all of your teachings, MTS episodes, Podcasts, Books, DVD's and of course the interesting topics you post.
Thank you for your belief in the 10p system, this site wouldn't exist without soldiers like you. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin.Harris
Curious, how are you able to ID the aircraft? I was into jets when I was a kid and I found it was really hard even for the old guys to id high flying planes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
I worked with CCTV for years but dont know a lot about long range cameras and zoom ability. What would it take to be able to zoom in and show that these are military jets? A normal video camera couldn't do it, Im guessing?
I pretty up on my chemistry. Just finished O-chem last semester and thats was my third college chem class. I dont see any reason that the presence of metals in a contrail would make it any more persistent than a normal contrail. Has this been explained?
In my biological applications of physics class, we did some work on calculating how micron scale particles fall through the atmosphere. The math is not too hard if you dont account for up and down drafts. At the elevation planes normally fly, the chemicals they are supposed to be realising would end up spread over minimum many hundreds of miles up to literally half way around the globe with a modest breeze. Why such an inefficient method? They could get the chems into the irrigation systems or added to commercial fertilizers or pesticides and it would be thousands of times more effective and would require a much smaller number of people to be involved in the conspiracy?
Im rewatching what in the world are they spraying. I'll make a list of problems that a skeptic would see and we can address each one in order to make a stronger case for chemtrails. At this time I dont think that metals are being released by planes but something else could be going on or I may be wrong.
Could take me awhile, I was out with an mcl sprain and have to get back to training starting tonite. (thats way Ive been on the forum so much the last 6 weeks)
I used to make fun of my conspiracy theorist radical right wing friends over their views of the government. Then half the shit I made fun of them for got confirmed, so now I just stay quiet on everything conspiracy relatdd
First problem right at the beginning is that the makers of the film imply a link between two distinctly different ideas regarding altering the earth. Geoengineering (aka climate engineering) could actually be accomplished to reduce global warming. It is well known that contrails do alter global climate in this manner and has been proposed as a partial solution to global warming.
OK, good so far. The problem is that the filmmakers are inferring, because this manner of climate engineering has been seriously proposed as feasible by member of the scientific community (but never attempted), Somehow this lends credibility to a completely different idea regarding altering soil composition. (not Geoengineering)
This is a disingenuous tactic to imply that climate engineering via cloud seeding lends any credibility to the claim that all the first world nations are broadcasting metals via aircraft. It would be an obvious false comparison to viewers, if they bothered to actually explain the two very different activities which are being compared.
I have been out to Wyoming and trained with Martin and his team. They are legit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
How do I know they are not commercial airliners?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron Gustaveson
Because the planes that are zig zagging back and forth over the LA skies spraying fake clouds are coming in and out of Edwards Air Force Base. It's super easy to tell, all you gotta do is look up and pay attention. Retards can figure it out :)
In the last 10 years I've taken hundreds of flights in and out of LAX and Burbank. They all land and take off the same way. Planes coming from the east start descending around Palm Springs and land going west. Planes coming from the west or north pass LAX and make a U-turn at downtown LA then land going west just like the planes coming from the east. 95% of the hundreds of flights I've been on take this exact route. Extreme weather conditions have caused planes to land in the eastern direction, but this is very rare. When taking off, all planes take off in the western direction then either turn left and go east or south or turn right to the north or straight and keep heading west into the Pacific Ocean. I can give you Burbank's flight patterns too but I don't want to bore you. I have never seen a commercial airliner over the LA skies with contrails or chemtrails.
The planes that are criss crossing over the city covering the skies with fake clouds are not commercial airliners in my personal experience, they are coming from Edwards Air Force Base to the north of LA.
Ok but for people like me, that live in the middle of nowhere and cant observe this ourselves; is there a way to record the sky and show the flight patterns of the planes over time? Maybe zoom in and be able to definitively id the planes?
I guess, I mean, you feel that you shouldn't have to collect or present evidence because to you it seems obvious but what if you didn't see what you have with your own eyes? You do want to convince people, right? You agree that its not unreasonable to ask some questions before accepting this?
If you're immediately dismissive of people that dont share your view then how can you change their minds? Asking for evidence isn't a combative thing.
All I know is they dont spray that shit in CHIraq. They know better :)
Anyone know anything about camcorders, if thats what they are still called? Anyway to zoom enough to ID planes at altitude? Any ideas about how eddies observations can be turned into physical evidence?
Josh apparently Chicago is the worst you better get some anitdote quick...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbHuMIlF5NgQuote:
Originally Posted by Josh Passini
If only circumstantial evidence is available; it would at least be useful to show that there are larger numbers of "chemtrails" over farmland than cities with huge airports like o'hare.
Unfortunately, it seems many chemtrail believers have the position that if you are asking for evidence then you are not worth convincing because to them it obvious enough for retards to figure out.
Really looking forward to seeing kristin on joes show. Hoping for some physical evidence or resources for data.
Found this cool video, it is over Britain but the LAX area is similar if not busier. The film uses GPS coordinates to illustrate "tracks" in the air but if you could imagine some of these aircraft leaving contrails (based on weather conditions) you could see how some very imteresting patterns could be formed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=sEZcBeE33wc
If any of you are able to film a jet aircaft actively spraying chemtrails (or contrails) in a pattern other than a straight line in the greater Los Angeles area please include your GPS location (obtained from your cell phone) and the direction your are looking along with the date and time. I spoke to some Air Traffic buddies and they would be shocked to see that footage and would help you investigate if you gave them that info. It would be very important to see the aircraft actively make the zig zag pattern on video.
^ theres a thinking man. ^
What about this evidence?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiJ_R8JVpi4
you cant possibly think that a local news story about a guy that claims to have collected stuff in a jar is evidence? Anyway I think there levels were off, seems they were looking at allowable levels in the air not in sludge. If he had filmed the stuff falling from the sky and himself collecting it and sealing it then this would be more interesting but still not really reliable evidence.
fuuccckk!Quote:
Originally Posted by martin.harris
I live right next to JBER airforce base here in Alaska, one of the largest air force bases in the U.S. and I see very little contrails, just sayin'. The jets fly over my house, I can literally read the numbers on the bottom of them, so maybe they wait until the most effective height to start spraying? I don't know a lot about chemtrails, but it's one thing that coming from the outside, is hard to believe, but im open-minded. =]
Look at the sprayers turning on and off in this video
http://youtu.be/3P0OaWjv--U
there is an easy to understand scientific explanation for this, (I couldn't see any sprayers)
moisture is not evenly distributed through the air for several reasons. Sometimes, when conditions are right we can see the water vapor in the patches of high moisture condense. We call those clouds. The irregular distribution of moisture is there even when conditions are not right for precipitation into liquid state ie clear skies. When a plane flies through the sky it can hit these patches (basically invisible clouds) and adds moisture, producing a control, in the lower moisture areas it does not. Science, baby!
Here is a video from 1944 of the phenomenon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfOre...layer_embedded
Sorry I haven't been able to watch any more "what in the world . ." yet. All my free time has been spent on MTS 59.
Could just be flying through an area with borderline conditions for forming contrails. What reason would they have to turn them on and off if it were attempting to spray an area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
http://www.af.mil/shared/media/docum...051013-001.pdf
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_polic.../contrails.pdf
"What reason would they have to turn them on and off if it were attempting to spray an area."
There could be quite a few reasons the sprayers were turned on and off.
The question I have is why are military aircraft criss crossing over LA covering the sky with artificial clouds. That's the real question.
Still need someway to actually show;
1. that these are military aircraft
2. that planes are flying in flight pattern that do not match expected air traffic.
the artificial clouds part has a sound explanation already.
Sorry for not being able to reply the past few days, I was in Phoenix and can't use my work PC to go on bad ass sites like this. :-) I'm reading and catching up....
Fuckkkk we're all fuckkkkkedQuote:
Originally Posted by Josh Passini
Hey kristen, you ask an open question to skeptics which was something like what's the biggest reasons you dont believe in chemtrails,
I'd say for me the two biggest are; the number of people that would be involved and that it seems like a absolutely horrible way to affect soil composition. (efficiency wise)
You could call it circumstantial, but it is a lot of coincidences. From me approving the chemicals on the base (at the time not knowing what for other than to a classified area by the JStar hangars. IN addition to the rain sampling I have conducted in Oklahoma, Georgia, and Illinois I am not the only person who has insight on this. There are people in my career field in Bioenvironmental engineering that will not come forward, but believe it and are against it. I understand its very cliche' to say I know people who have insight but I can't say there names, but these people fear losing their income, benefits, and retirement. I can't force people to come forward. I hope the more this is exposed and brought into the public eye, they will see things will be ok on the other side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin.Harris
The secret government is accused of spraying barium and aluminum in the atmosphere.
Government scientists deny it but admit they will have to spray barium and aluminum in the atmosphere soon to save us.
How is that not super ultra fishy?
BTW, Aaron, you are a bad mutha fucka, I aint mad at cha, know that, I love this thread :)
Thanks! I assumed there only positive feeling between us all here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
I know that if this is really going on then to expose it, people like you/kristen and me/martin need to work together to build a strong case. Our system of economy is so unregulated that it has allowed the super rich to gain complete control over anything they happen to be interested in controlling. They have a detached sense of morality and are capable of anything in that regard. Im not sure yet that this is one of the things they are up to but its fun to talk about.
You know I totally will get that tat if it turns out any group is using aircraft to broadcast metals in an attempt to alter soil arability. With pride!
Anyone want to play? I'll take either side.