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Hey guys i found out some of the secret knowledge that you can only get wit the gi,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnaufaOLGkY
"So I've got something solid and long now to push through..."Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron Gustaveson
Alrighty then!!
Belts are symbols that represent your dedication, aptitude and sacrifice. Who is to say that we cant or shouldn't use a Belt system?
This traditionalist mentality will only hold people back. He probably discredits a lot of non traditional techniques too. (berimbolo and de la riva).
He needs to relax, evolve his thinking and be confident in what he is trying to do.
I sure am happy that he thought that using a safety pin to pull your draw string through warranted a video. When I was seven and pulled out the string from my hoodie I used a pen because it had a longer stroke and took less time.
That is a BJJ lineage. When he says you don't have a belt in no gi, I agree, you have a BJJ belt rank. Even if you don't wear a gi or belt. The way I see it is the 10th planet system is just another BJJ curriculum. It has different requirements for rank than other BJJ gyms. But guess what? So do all the other BJJ gyms. The curriculum requirements for Roy Dean blue belt are different than the blue belt requirements from the Gracie Academy, which are different from the requirements at Gracie Barra, which are different from the requirements of MABJJ, which are different from the requirements at Renzo's school, which are different from the requirements at Rickson's school. It's all BJJ, and if your lineage is legit (which Eddie's and by extension, all 10th Planet ranks are), then who cares. At that point it boils down to BJJ politics, which, to my knowledge, are mostly stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottross
Also, there are different belts for different people. You got competitors whose rank, ideally should reflect their performance in tournaments. You've also got people who don't compete, who's ranks (in my mind) should ideally reflect their general knowledge, technical ability, and experience, rather than wins and losses.
He's also right about self promotions, but then, none of us here are doing that (I hope). Unless by self promotion you mean marketing, but then, all the major gyms do that too *cough* Rener *cough*...
Im always confused at that traditional gi guys say shit like this and then forget that Helio created a sport and essentialy gave himself a redbelt in it...
There is an "mma" instructor in my city who has no grappling belts but awards belts to mma fighters based on his curriculum of the mma system he created, he gave himself a blackbelt in his own system so that he can wear one.
This guy should be wearing a gi in this video.
I just have to say that not everybody that trains in Da Gi feels this way. I have mad respect for no gi practitioners and 10th planet, and I train mostly Gi. My instructors are very open minded and if we ask about no gi situations he will elaborate on how to control someone without Da Gi. We also have No Gi twice a week and we still rock our belts.
Greg Jackson did the same shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Brick
at one point a guy did this for every single system that uses belts, competition makes the claim legit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie
So who came up with stripes?
This guy is clueless. In no gi there is still lineage,terms , and time spent the exact same way as someone wearing a gi would partake in. It's pretty simple , one is grappling with a uniform and one without. The term belt is just a unified understanding of ones skill level. No way I would train under this clown
"Everyone has their own criteria for giving out belts, who am I to criticize someone who is giving out belts?" -Royler Gracie commenting on Rolles Gracie giving Rashad Evans a black belt from only training JiuJitsu for 4 years, WITHOUT a gi
If he's ranting about guys self awarding belts then I definitely agree. However, a belt is just a symbol. It could just as easily be a rashguard, bracelet, hoodie,etc. Doesn't matter. What DOES matter is common ground and where Gi and No Gi are forced to meet is in competition. For that purpose, there must be a matching system so it only makes sense to defer to the belt system. Silly to be pissed about that, honestly.
As far as his master's degree analogy, the way our sport is set up, if you beat that MBA holder in an argument everytime and several of his colleagues subsequently, YES, we do award you an MBA. You don't get it yourself, but that DOES mean you've legitimately proved you are at that level for a consistent period of time and should be recognized as such. Instead of a college we have instructors.
yeah but are people really self promoting? Got to be just as common in the gi? Universities do give honorary doctorates when someone show a mastery in their field (of course not in the sciences)
This is all I need. Guys a fucking jackass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Carbone
I seriously lasted 44 seconds into this douchebags video before I had to pause his pompous ass.
The belt is a symbol of rank, nothing more.
I don't refer to people in belts at our club, just color, at least when I am talking. We have a new guy in our club that rolls primarily in the Gi, he is a blue belt at his club.
I heard that from someone else, and when I met him and rolled him I said "so I hear you're a blue?"
"Yup".
That's it.
Nice guy too. Crushing top game.
That's how it should be, Kurzy. Well done, bro.
Hey guys, I am Brian Jones the person in the video about no-gi black belts.
There is quite a bit of hate directed here at me for making the video at the beginning of this post.
First, I think the title of this thread was a bit misleading. Second, most of the comments seem to be just personal insults rather than arguments against my points. Did anyone bother to watch the follow-up video?
I mean, Kurzy above, who I'm sure is a great grappler and thoughtful person admitted that he didn't even watch the whole video. I think this is a topic for discussion rather than name calling. After all, I'm just stating my opinion. If you don't agree with it then put forth an argument rather than just calling me a douchebag.
Here is the video response in case you haven't seen it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky7AgEJfrvg
Brian
Here’s some perspective, for what it’s worth.
At the end of last year I earned my Lean Six Sigma Black Belt. For those of you in the manufacturing industry, you probably know this is about the equivalent of earning a bachelor’s, or even a master’s degree in manufacturing. It took me nearly 8 years. This “belt” ranking is recognized globally, and (since it was attained through a highly respected source) it has afforded me some nice opportunities. It is not an actually belt, it is technically a certificate, but in the global manufacturing community, when you say someone is a Lean Sigma (or six sigma) black belt, they know what it means and they know what it takes to get there.
In jiu jitsu, I am but a lowly white belt. I own a gi, but I don’t get a chance to train in it regularly because I train at a 10th planet gym. I take the gi with me when I travel for work so I can roll at new gyms and such. I get the opportunity to cross-train at other local gyms as well, so I keep my gi handy. I’ll admit that I should make more use of these opportunities to get some gi time.
Regardless, from what I have experience both in and out of jiu jitsu, the status of the belt is symbolic.
When I advance in jiu jitsu, I will gladly state that I am (enter color here) belt under the 10th planet system, and people will know what that means whether they agree with the logistics or not. Just my 2 cents
I promoted myself to batman......... will this affect my status in either the gi or nogi/10th planet community?
It only affects your Robin, Rick
I see the belt system going to shit in the next ten years anyway....
That explains EVERYTHINGQuote:
Originally Posted by Scott Elliott
So, bjj isn't judo. .. Helio "created" it... and under this guys definition we're a different art/system. So the guy that made your art, bjj, can literally take every aspect of judo including the uniform and its precious belt and mold it to a new art. An that's cool, but some one else does the exact same thing and their "retarded" and have no right to using the same ranking system simply out of continuity. By this guy's logic BJJ shouldn't even have belts cause they didn't come from judo. Am judo shouldn't have belts cause they didn't come from karate. An karate shouldn't have belts cause they didn't come from kung fu. An kung fu shouldn't have had sashes because they probably got that from some where else. What a moron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
Ps: does this mean I get my masters degree now?
Hasn't eddie stated that he just keeps the belt system in order to annotate people's progression in a way everybody understands? Personally, i have always found 10th P guys to state clearly that they are "10th Planet Purples"etc... anyways.
Deeeeep sigh!!!!!!!!!! Move on!
You cant be serious, of course there is hate direct at you, happens when you say stupid shit. You call no-gi grapples frauds in the comment section of your video which completely justifies the title of this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valhalla Academy
"Thanks guys! Anyone walking around with a no-gi belt or a belt they have just 'decided' to give themselves is as much a fraud as someone who prints up a college degree with Microsoft office and claims to have gone to school."
I dont think no-gi grappelrs should use belts for ranking in fact i dont really value raking all that much but calling people frauds is ridicules. Your response video should have been recognizing where you where incorrect and apologizing, not backpedaling like a pussy.
The IBJJF only recognizes Spider-Man, the Hulk, and Captain Insane-o as ranks other than blue, purple, brown, black. Sorry RicQuote:
Originally Posted by rickdawson
However you can probably still do NAGA.
Man... I'll never make it out the ghetto :(Quote:
Originally Posted by John Mejia
That is awesome! hahahQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
Look, if Jiu jitsu practitioners don't wear ō-yoroi it's not Jiu jitsu. Everyone knows this. :rolleyes:
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Joachim Hoff's post highlights an important aspect of this discussion.
The historical record on gi and belt wearing actually supports belts for no-gi.
In fact, it looks like Jigoro Kano, founder of Judo and thus progenitor of Bjj through Mitsuyo Maeda, was giving out black belts for 11 years before the modern gi was even introduced. He just had them training in whatever was convenient which included some outfits that will be very familiar to no-gi grapplers.
Articles on Judo history talk about Kano giving out black belts around 1886 and students wearing loin clothes and shorts cut off above the knee with sleeves cut off above the elbow.
The actual gi, as we know it today, was not introduced until 1907.
"It was not until three years later in 1886, that Kano saw the need to distinguish between beginning and advanced students and began the custom of his Yudansha wearing black belts, to signify the difference. "
"The “Keikogi” or “uniform for practice”, known as the “Judogi” in Judo, was not introduced until much later. At this time, all practises were carried out in formal kimono’s, loin cloths or more commonly shorts cut off above the knee and sleeves above the elbow. The formal “Keikogi” full uniform with trousers and the smaller width Kuro Obi, (Kuro – black, Obi – belt), as we know them both today, were first introduced in 1907."
http://www.shiseiryu.com/originsofju...dingsystem.htm
This article at www.judoinfo.com basically confirms much of the information above and goes on to say the following about colored belts:
"Other colored belts for students who had not yet achieved black belt originated later, when Judo began being practiced outside of Japan. Mikonosuke Kawaishi is generally regarded as the first to introduce various colored belts in Europe in 1935 when he started to teach Judo in Paris. He felt that western students would show greater progress if they had a visible system of many colored belts recognizing achievement and providing regular incentives. This system included white, yellow, orange, green, blue, and purple belts before the more traditional brown and black belts."
http://judoinfo.com/alphabetical-lis...neil-ohlenkamp
Brian, would you care to answer some of the points brough up by others in this thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by Valhalla Academy
It seems like the whole reason he's mad is because of the fact that 10th Planet guys use belts as their way to rank people..It would be ok if it was something else but not belts because thats part of the gi! hmmm kind of a weird thing to stress about if that in fact is the case.
He should tell the IBJJF to stop making us use the belt system and make all their nogi tournies novice, beginner, intermediate, and advanced or we should all begin signing up as white belts.
In all seriousness, he probably has a purple belt who got beat by a nogi only not ranked competitor who said I guess Im a purple belt now.
i even like to rank my girlfriends
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-t5ElYyZ6Hl...gapore-zoo.JPGQuote:
Originally Posted by nathan cybul
Purple Belt?