Hate the term "Crackhead Control"? A (possible) solution

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Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

I'm naming the next technique I come up with "Ass to Mouth", Just so Ric can rename it ATM for his kids.

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Gold!

I don't think an official renaming is necessary. If that's how you wanna get down, do that. Personally, while have have no problem teaching my kids that crackheads exist, I wouldn't be too keen on it becoming part of her daily vocab. Cuz here's the thing, anything that she can get in trouble in school for saying, I don't want her repeating just yet. I wouldn't want her to learn hooker control either.

But we all parent differently. My route would be to teach her the original, come up with a substitute just for us and explain that, as usual, some words are only for grown folk.

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Originally Posted by Bradley

Wait... are we talking about crabcake control?? :) “Ken-Flo” tells Pellegrino that he has to finish the fight this round if he wants to win it. Round 3: George looks a bit slower, his punches don’t have quite the same pop as they did in the first and second. They are exchanging but not much is coming of it so far. George pushing forward after landing a solid left and right. Pellegrino gets the takedown. Pellegrino with a few nice elbows, George establishes mission control and then something Joe Rogan calls “crabcake” control; both of his legs are locked behind Pellegrino’s neck. Pellegrino slams hims off and they are back to their feet. With thirty seconds left George has Pellegrino pressed against the cage. Pellegrino with a serious knee and some follow-up punches at the end that knock George down but it may be too little too late. Fightline.com scores the round 10-9 for Pellegrino. George Sotiropoulos defeated Kurt Pellegrino via unanimous decision (30-27, 20-27, 29-28) http://www.fightline.com/fl-news-201...nar-vs-carwin/ _

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Crab Cake Control! Porra

Ok I have asked and nobody who "understands" or agrees or can "see his point" or Ric himself has tried to explain it so I'm going to just say its bullshit, there is absolutely nothing un kid friendly about the term crackhead. If you want to have a rational discussion about some of the other names that's one thing but I will disagree about changing those too. I don't have a problem breaking down the realities of life to my children.

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie

Ok I have asked and nobody who "understands" or agrees or can "see his point" or Ric himself has tried to explain it so I'm going to just say its bullshit, there is absolutely nothing un kid friendly about the term crackhead. If you want to have a rational discussion about some of the other names that's one thing but I will disagree about changing those too. I don't have a problem breaking down the realities of life to my children.

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Reading is fundamental. LOL. I explained. Any word that can get my kid in trouble in school is not a word that I'd like her repeating just yet.

Not sure why people are getting so annoyed about it. Call it whatever you want. Teach your kids to curse if you want. But some people do have a preference. That's the beauty of America. I don't think it needs an official renaming, but I think it's fine to have an alternative for your own kids or a kids program you run. In fact, I do recall one of the moon heads mentioning that he does rename some moves for his kids program so it's not like this is some horribly far fetched absolutely bullshit idea. Haha. You'd swear 10thP were a religion or something.

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Originally Posted by Bradley

Wait... are we talking about crabcake control?? :)


“Ken-Flo” tells Pellegrino that he has to finish the fight this round if he wants to win it.

Round 3: George looks a bit slower, his punches don’t have quite the same pop as they did in the first and second. They are exchanging but not much is coming of it so far. George pushing forward after landing a solid left and right. Pellegrino gets the takedown. Pellegrino with a few nice elbows, George establishes mission control and then something Joe Rogan calls “crabcake” control; both of his legs are locked behind Pellegrino’s neck. Pellegrino slams hims off and they are back to their feet. With thirty seconds left George has Pellegrino pressed against the cage. Pellegrino with a serious knee and some follow-up punches at the end that knock George down but it may be too little too late. Fightline.com scores the round 10-9 for Pellegrino.

George Sotiropoulos defeated Kurt Pellegrino via unanimous decision (30-27, 20-27, 29-28)

http://www.fightline.com/fl-news-201...nar-vs-carwin/


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Haha crab cake...that's some renato stuffs right there porra

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Originally Posted by Compella

Kids should be educated on what a crackhead is so as to avoid becoming one and to one day, yes, control them. Censorship is not a 10th Planet strong suit IMO. While we're at it, let's switch the Vaporizer to the Inhaler and the D-Bag to the Feminine Hygiene Product, lol...just giving ya shit Ric. I know you have a valid argument and I see what you mean about expansion and acceptance, but I just don't see the need for an "officially" nerfed vocabulary for the system. Then again, I'm a rapper what the fuck do I know about being a good influence on kids ;)

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Very good response from one of the OG's.

just want to say Ric has always seemed like a cool guy and makes some really good post.

I have heard Eddie say some less PC things than Crackhead control imho. :) On my first day at HQ we had a long conversation about Snatching the arm for Twister from Truck. "Most you boys never seen a snatch this good."

This kind of talk is probably why I am part of 10 P.

thats disgusting,sexist, pot smoking animal corrupting our youth.

Somewhere in the ocean the Kraken is crying. Always being opressed.

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Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

I'm naming the next technique I come up with "Ass to Mouth", Just so Ric can rename it ATM for his kids.

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;) ;) ;) ;)

I love how so many jump on Eddie's balls and explain exactly what he's feeling and how he believes lol. To be quite honest, I've seen a rather substantial change in Eddie since the birth of his son. In Decatur he showed us his wallpaper and talked about how everything is about his boy now, he's his life. Since then, I've seen him censor himself at numerous seminars and training camps. He used some different names for previously named techs as well as toning down talk about the herb whenever kids were in attendance.

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Originally Posted by Phill Schwartz

I have heard Eddie say some less PC things than Crackhead control imho. :) On my first day at HQ we had a long conversation about Snatching the arm for Twister from Truck. "Most you boys never seen a snatch this good."

This kind of talk is probably why I am part of 10 P.

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Ahh yes! Eddie has the best stories to tie the techs to names.

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Originally Posted by David Rosado

Reading is fundamental. LOL. I explained. Any word that can get my kid in trouble in school is not a word that I'd like her repeating just yet.

Not sure why people are getting so annoyed about it. Call it whatever you want. Teach your kids to curse if you want. But some people do have a preference. That's the beauty of America. I don't think it needs an official renaming, but I think it's fine to have an alternative for your own kids or a kids program you run. In fact, I do recall one of the moon heads mentioning that he does rename some moves for his kids program so it's not like this is some horribly far fetched absolutely bullshit idea. Haha. You'd swear 10thP were a religion or something.

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I did miss your post and understand not wanting certain words to enter your children's vocabulary I employ the same policy. ...and of course I agree people can call the techniques whatever they want and understand moon instructors changing the vocabulary for there kids classes to not offended parents and protect there business. But none of that explains how the word crackhead is offensive and if any of my kids 12, 8 and 5 none of which has ever had not one single disciplinary situation at school ever did get in trouble for using the term crackhead in school I wouldn't have a problem explaining life to school authorities either.

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Originally Posted by Aaron Gustaveson

just want to say Ric has always seemed like a cool guy and makes some really good post.

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Agree 100% great contributor to the forum I just don't want Eddie to be discouraged from coming up with the colorful and entertaining vocabulary. I also agree with Brandon about not wanting the pussification of America slipping into jiu jitsu. I used one of Zogs analogies to describe a technique In a class full of grown men not even any ladies present and a few guys laughed and the coach acknowledged that it was an effective analogy but inappropriate. The term was "making babies"
...give me a break how is that inappropriate in a room full of grown men learning moves that can kill?

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Originally Posted by David Rosado

Reading is fundamental. LOL. I explained. Any word that can get my kid in trouble in school is not a word that I'd like her repeating just yet.

Not sure why people are getting so annoyed about it. Call it whatever you want. Teach your kids to curse if you want. But some people do have a preference. That's the beauty of America. I don't think it needs an official renaming, but I think it's fine to have an alternative for your own kids or a kids program you run. In fact, I do recall one of the moon heads mentioning that he does rename some moves for his kids program so it's not like this is some horribly far fetched absolutely bullshit idea. Haha. You'd swear 10thP were a religion or something.

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Of course, I do the same thing with our kids programs as well, I feels its a parents job to educate their kids on wonderful world of sex and drugs. However in my adult classes its NHB, like Jon said we are in the bussiness of teaching destruction, if you can't handle a little crackhead control, retard control or making babies get the fuck out I don't have time for your sensitivity. When it comes down to the reality of combat sports and self defense if words hurt you, you don't stand a chance of surving a real life violent encounter.


Oh and Ric knows I have nothing but love him. Thats why I have no issue telling him to man up or I'll fill your kraken. ;)

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie

I did miss your post and understand not wanting certain words to enter your children's vocabulary I employ the same policy. ...and of course I agree people can call the techniques whatever they want and understand moon instructors changing the vocabulary for there kids classes to not offended parents and protect there business. But none of that explains how the word crackhead is offensive and if any of my kids 12, 8 and 5 none of which has ever had not one single disciplinary situation at school ever did get in trouble for using the term crackhead in school I wouldn't have a problem explaining life to school authorities either.

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Gotcha. Well, I'm currently living in socialist/liberal Massachusetts where political correctness is gospel to people and public school teachers teach that guns aren't real. SMH. I mean, even my daughter's mom gets antsy when I tell my daughter that guns aren't bad. Crackhead being a direct reference to drug addiction is a taboo word in my kid's school.

In the end, really, context is key.

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Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

Of course, I do the same thing with our kids programs as well, I feels its a parents job to educate their kids on wonderful world of sex and drugs. However it my adult classes its NHB, like Jon said we are in the bussiness of teaching destruction, if you can't handle a little crackhead control, retard control or making babies get the fuck out I don't have time for your sensitivity. When it comes down to the reality of combat sports and self defense if words hurt you, you don't stand a chance of surving a real life violent encounter.


Oh and Ric knows I have nothing but love him. Thats why I have no issue telling him to man up or I'll fill your kraken. ;)

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Exactly coach. Like you pointed out, context is key. And like I mentioned, an official renaming isn't really necessary.

I was kinda just posting to let Ric know I understand his POV, but we really don't need an official rename. And personally, I'd feel like a bit of a sissy calling it kraken control to another grown man. LOL.

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Originally Posted by David Rosado

I was kinda just posting to let Ric know I understand his POV, but we really don't need an official rename. And personally, I'd feel like a bit of a sissy calling it kraken control to another grown man. LOL.

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Good because if I hear you say it, your krack will be the next one filled in.

Lmao

Zog makes this thread gold. You all have good arguments but we can't be re-naming shit at this stage in the game. Bottom line is you can't keep everyone happy all the time

Pretending something doesn't exist and sheltering one from a reality that exists whether you like it or not will be futile in the end. Keeping an honest open line of communication has been the best approach I've seen so far. If you refuse to talk to your kids about the gritty part of life, guess who she's gonna learn from? Dumbass peers, social media, reality tv, fuckin Miley Cyruss.. With technology where its at today, kids are gonna be exposed to everything easier and earlier than ever. Who knows how this will effect them but seriously, would you rather your kids learn the gritty shit about life from you? Or the demented 11 year old down the street? One thing you can bet on is they will be exposed. One way or another. Your only choice is from who. Mainstream media, friends, corporate advertising mindfuckers, the interwebz, or you. I'm gonna put my money on you on having her best interests in mind.

I shout "Release the Kraken!" every time I take a piss.

i don't see anything wrong with crackhead. I think in general people are way to sensitive about if something is a "bad word". If you don't like it say something else.

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie

Crackheads have to be controlled

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Yes, Yes they do LOL!

I have alt. terms for many of the moves for my kids classes. I like Kraken though:) I use "really rubber guard" also retard control is "spaz control" douche bag is "stinky foot" etc....

My thoughts in no apparent order, take them or leave them. ;)

For what it's worth, if you have kids (particularly young kids) you probably get this. If you don't, you probably don't get it.

Bottom line, really young kids are information sponges. "Mommy, what's a crackhead?" Single young male: you are probably thinking "just explain it to him. He has to learn eventually. THAT'S REAL LIFE SON!" Yeah, now your four year old gets nightmares and asks people on the street if they are crackheads. Dude, he's four. He can be a child for a while longer.

Anybody knows how to raise my sons better than I do, be sure to send me a private message.

That said, I'm pretty sure if you said "Kraken control" in the company of small children, I doubt anybody would be like "You mean CRACKHEAD CONTROL?? Hey little kid, you ever seen a crackhead?" ;)

Lastly, I think updating the terminology might make the spread of the 10th Planet system easier. I could imagine instructors not wanting to pick it up and teach it to kids because it's all douchebags, crackheads, etc. But it's hard to argue with what wins.

What difference does it make what you call it? Wasnt the reason for naming moves so you can call it out anyways and there would be instant recognition as to what needs to be done? Ric call it whatever you want! It doesn't have to be some formal system wide name change because as long as the person you are telling to do the move understands then the purpose is served.

On a side note I'd rather not have my kids yelling out things like "crackhead", "douchebag" or "retard". Nothing to do with the pussification of America more so I'd rather my kids be a bit more respectful than that.

On the flip side maybe one day your kid is gonna get jumped on the street by a crackhead, they wont know what to do maybe they go to mission control by mistake and just get horribly overwhelmed by their strength level. :p

When i started i thought it was "crack headcontrol", playing off of crack regiments in the military, which are the best. That seems like a pretty easy solution. Lol

I have had more nightmares about krakens than crackheads. Don't get me started on Medusa. Clash of the Titans fucked me up as a kid.

The name Crackhead Control is nowhere near the same level of offensive as DPO.

They should rename "Tre Flips" to "Twist and Twirls" too.

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Originally Posted by Tony "The Goods" Garcia

I love how so many jump on Eddie's balls and explain exactly what he's feeling and how he believes lol. To be quite honest, I've seen a rather substantial change in Eddie since the birth of his son. In Decatur he showed us his wallpaper and talked about how everything is about his boy now, he's his life. Since then, I've seen him censor himself at numerous seminars and training camps. He used some different names for previously named techs as well as toning down talk about the herb whenever kids were in attendance.

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There are a couple techniques that I regret naming, like Dead Pussy Odor for example, but that one actually is so bad it never stuck, not even DPO stuck. Everyone still calls it limp arm. Douche bag and baby arm are a little iffy for me but they actually stuck and I don't think there's any turning back from those, so fuck it. But crackhead control is not bad at all, it's just stupid, not offensive, and I don't think we can ever shake it anyways, it's too late, so crack head it is :)

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PS I love Ric like a brother and respect his feelings :)

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Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo

There are a couple techniques that I regret naming, like Dead Pussy Odor for example, but that one actually is so bad it never stuck, not even DPO stuck. Everyone still calls it limp arm. Douche bag and baby arm are a little iffy for me but they actually stuck and I don't think there's any turning back from those, so fuck it. But crackhead control is not bad at all, it's just stupid, not offensive, and I don't think we can ever shake it anyways, it's too late, so crack head it is :)

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PS I love Ric like a brother and respect his feelings :)

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So what your saying is "ATM" isn't gunna make it into the system?

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Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

So what your saying is "ATM" isn't gunna make it into the system?

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What's wrong with Automatic Teller Machine? ;)

Is this what you kinda have in mind Zog for the ATM? Think you've been beaten to it :)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gnhrj3wjaf...%2049%20PM.png

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Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

So what your saying is "ATM" isn't gunna make it into the system?

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Lol!

That moment when you realize why its called the babyarm and have been screaming it for years. Just happened. Pretty damn funny. How'd I miss that?