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Reneging is not used correctly. There was no discussion about pants grabbing. Eddie could've assumed Royler meant "Don't change your mind because I'll be training against guys in gi pants." The conversation wasn't "Don't change your mind because I want to grab your pants."Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph
There's two sides to an agreement. Both parties didn't come to a legit conclusion. There is no reneging. Royler's still a douche for this.
4 parts of a contract
http://www.smallbusiness.wa.gov.au/f...of-a-contract/
offer
acceptance
Intention
Consideration
IMO, the part where the verbal contract falls apart is the intention. Both parties were not fully aware of each other's intentions.
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Originally Posted by David Rosado
Here is how I think it might have gone down:
Eddie: Can I wear gi pants?
Thinks: (That would give me a great advantage to hold him in my guard since I am a big advocate of wearing gi pants for nogi and always talk about the advantages they bring)
Royler: As long as you don't change your mind
Thinks (I don't care if you have an advantage in gi pants as long as I'm allowed to break open your guard the same way I break out of anyone with gi pants' guard; using grips)
Eddie thinks: (What did Royler mean by don't change your mind? Oh man, now he's got the advantage! Shit! I'm wearing spats now!)
Royler thinks: (We have an agreement, your terms in fact, and you aren't going to flip flop. Talk to my lawyer.)
Honestly, guys, it's one thing to be loyal to Eddie as a part of the 10th planet system, but it isn't fair to call Royler a "douche", "foyler", etc., etc. He didn't bring the gi pants into the equation. It was all Eddie.
Bruh, even in your description you have Royler withholding his intentions. Eddie didn't hide his intentions. Eddie wanted gi pants for grip. He wasn't trying to pull a fast one. Royler is the one who said "don't change your mind" but didn't explain why. So when the truth comes out, Eddie says forget it, I don't want my pants pulled. Royler turns douche mode on and has his lawyer get involved.
Sorry bruh, but that's douchey as hell. It's a no gi fight. No gi meaning the gi should not be a factor. If Royler wasn't a douche he would've said, "Sure as long as I"m able to pull on them." Nope. He kept his agenda hidden AND got his lawyer involved. If you don't see that as douchey, you're likely wearing a gi fabric blind fold.
Dude, they both withheld their intentions. Eddie didn't give Royler the reason why he wanted to wear pants and Royler didn't give any reason why he agreed.
I'm not wearing a blindfold. It's an unbiased opinion of the events as I read them.
Keep drinking the cool aide, man.
To be honest, I think this whole thing is bullshit. Eddie shouldn't have asked to wear gi pants and Royler shouldn't have excepted. As of right now, the fight is illegitimate because they both had an excuse if they lose.
If Eddie wins, Royler could say its because of the superior grip his pants had.
If Royler wins, Eddie could say its because Royler was allowed to grip his pants.
If I were Relek, I would make them fight butt ass naked at this point so there are no excuses on either side.
Son, no one in that room was naive about Eddie's reason for wanting to wear gi pants. How did he withhold his intentions? He talks about it publicly. Everyone knows why Eddie wears gi pants. Royler simply saying "Don't change your mind" doesn't reveal his intentions. It's not bias. It's logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph
If Eddie wins Royler can't say shit cuz he had the advantage of pulling the pants, and he also has trained gi since childhood so he should know how to deal with it. He would have absolutely no excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph
If Royler wins as a direct result of pulling pants, then yeah, Eddie could say that there was an unfair advantage.
For a no gi competition to have gi pulling only for one competitor, it's ridiculous. Royler's a douche bruh. No way around it.
Lol yeah, grappling naked is the only logical conclusion. Eddie should win by triangle again too for good measure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph
That's the worst...reasoning...ever! Royler has been training in the gi since childhood. You know how he deals with it? By grabbing the gi! That's the whole point of the the gi, lol. On the same point, don't forget that Eddie received his Black belt from Jean Jaques Machado in the gi. He should also know how to deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
I don't know about your gym, if you even train at a gym Mr. Ronin with 10P Rochester roots, but at my gym and any other gym I've ever been to if you show up to a nogi class wearing gi pants, you should expect for them to get grabbed. If you don't want them to get grabbed, show up in the proper attire like everyone else!
Is it an advantage for Royler? Yes. Is Eddie Cool with it/prepared for it? Yes.
Will Eddie Twisting up Royler (despite Royler having an advantage) make the victory even sweeter? HELL YEAH! :)
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Originally Posted by Joseph
Your completely neglecting the fact that this is a no-gi match an in no other tournament on earth are you allowed to grab pants (whether its gi pants, shorts, spats etc). The deal that was made was that eddie could wear gi pants! Not that eddie could wear gi pants AND Royler could break traditional no-gi rules an grab those pants. Anyone who competes an does gi an no-gi understands what a massive advantage Royler now has. In a no- gi match...you wear what you want an theres no grabbing. Thats no-gi rules, thats how they have always been...period. No one is saying Royler can't wear gi pants too? This whole thing is utterly ridiculous.
I have never been to or heard of a tournament that allows competitors to wear gi pants for nogi. Most won't even let you wear spats or t-shirts. It's board shorts and a rashgaurd or DQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by VJ Bella
Naga, grapplers quest, goodfight, agl/pgl, us grappling...those are just a few off the top of my head. Moot point anyway...the issue is grabbing pants not wearing them. Royler can wear gi pants too if he chooses to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph
For it to be a true rematch, they should have to fight using ADCC's rule set, including acceptable uniform.Quote:
Originally Posted by VJ Bella
I hear Eddie is gonna wear this>
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Is it true that Bravo was the one who requested wearing gi pants in the first place? And then asked to changed to tights?
Dude shut the hell up. How old are you? You shouldn't even be involved in adult conversations. You dont know about my gym? Genius you just said my gym. 10th planet Rochester. No gi. And we don't grab clothes. I don't know about your gym mr vague tbjj, but where I'm from we don't grab pants. He'll last time I rolled I was in a gi school and my partners all had gi pants and no one was grabbing gi pants. Just stop b. idc if tbjj has ties to the Gracie's. It's a douche move. Did Eddie make a bad decision? Yeah. It wasn't the brightest idea to change his mind after agreeing to it. But lawyering up is OD. End of story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph
Don't ever take a sly jab at my old school or rank cuz you got a blue belt for showing up enough to get your stripes.
Really for it to be a true rematch they should both be wearing what they were wearing the first time they fought.
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
Is it true that Bravo was the one who requested wearing gi pants in the first place? And then asked to changed to tights?
Sort of. Read this, I think you'll get the picture. It's easy to see how this might have happened.
http://www.10thplanetjj.com/threads/...sense-thoughts
That said, I'm starting a band called Royler's Lawyers.