It's Here: Gracie Breakdown - Metamoris 3

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LOL

Hahaha! :D Oh gawd..
Electric chair has no street applicability either. Because you can't punch the nuts like a zillion times from there.
I give up. Politics.. jees..

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Originally Posted by Greg W

Most of it was OK. I disagree when they said the "lockdown" is not "street". They incorrectly called it deep half, which is "iffy" for street, however, once the guy throws a punch, if he misses you can get to perfect doubles, which is the same double under clinch they show females all the time to close the distance so the attacker cannot throw strong puches. Try and pucnch somebody that has the electric chair on you, you are going on your back. The "stand and run" from to electric chair top is almost guaranteed. If you get slamed down by an attacker and don't secure full guard but just get the foot, this is a very very street option. Also once Eddie was in the vaporizer he was in no danger of kicks, punches, bites, headbutts, groin shots, or eye gouges. He could have held on for an hour until help arrived, escape was almost non existant. And if escape happens, you get up and run, most people are not running far or fast on that knee!!

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Dude, you should post this on youtube. People on youtube leave some stupid comments and I wish I was more knoledgable about JJ to prove them wrong but I can only think of a thing or 2.

Someone said that there is no one in the ufc that is successful with the ruber guard and a successful mma fighter. I told him the only person I can think of is alan belchor but Im not expert so go to the 10th planet JJ website in the nibiru forum (and i posted the link in brackets).

Don't read youtube comments. Problem solved.

Getting mounted takes no flexibility, skill, or strength whatsoever. So yes. It passes the filter.

These guys Remind me of those old school kung-fu guys, "If someone gets me in a RNC I will just rip there eye out". If Your throwing punches at someone that has 1/4 guard your not defending there advancements as well, so that whole doesn't pass the filter because it wouldn't work the exact same way in with different rules is retarded.

It wasn't awful but it was a bit biased.... I like those two but you can tell they don't fully understand the method to some of these moves.

I understand and do like how they tell people X is Sport, Y is street, but they seem to forget about the Z options where you can make Sport work on the Street by changing grips & postures a little.

But hey they're in a tough spot... Don't wanna speak bad about their uncle but still trying to be civil and not speak poorly of Eddie. I'll give it one thumb up.... They'll get the second after Ryron rolls with Eddie on film =)

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Originally Posted by Amir Allam

Based on the video, if I walk into a Gracie school as a new student, they'll tell me not to use the deep half and to ignore the way other people use it. In contrast, I can't tell you how many times Eddie has said, "I suck at this and I never use it, but we are going to drill heel-hooks/kneebars/berimbolo/single-legs/etc because it will be awesome for some of you and I've seen other people make it work."

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Word.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Sarasin

Dude, you should post this on youtube. People on youtube leave some stupid comments and I wish I was more knoledgable about JJ to prove them wrong but I can only think of a thing or 2.

Someone said that there is no one in the ufc that is successful with the ruber guard and a successful mma fighter. I told him the only person I can think of is alan belchor but Im not expert so go to the 10th planet JJ website in the nibiru forum (and i posted the link in brackets).

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I copied it and FB messaged it to Rener directly, he responded back and we had an interesting dialog.

This made me want to eat a Renergy breakfast sandwich

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Originally Posted by Greg W

I copied it and FB messaged it to Rener directly, he responded back and we had an interesting dialog.

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I'd like to see that

Personally I thought it was another good episode. Everything they do is slanted towards selling their system. Keeping that in mind, I thought it was a good breakdown of the event, hitting some things, though not everything. The filter stuff, what I took from that, was them saying why they teach something or not, not whether something is good or not. They don't teach the 10pjj style because it doesn't pass their filter, which they've had brainwashed into them. To Eddie's comment, I can't imagine they teach allowing yourself to get mounted either, so to me that's a non issue. But, hey, my names' not the one in their mouths, so...

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Originally Posted by Drew Ash

They need to practice 1/4 guard warm ups a little so they understand the position better. Sure, I guess its similar to deep half... And mentioning how Royler could have punched him makes them come off as sore losers(not even bringing up how Master Eddie would have grabbed under hooks and gone to dog fight if he did try to punch:p).
So now their argument is our jiujitsu is effective, but not street ready?
Good luck with that Gi in California. Lots of jackets to hold onto ay? Street ready lol.

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lol, true. Joe Rogan said the same thing in his podcast. So I guess the gi should be for canadians lol. I'm canadian and I think no gi would be better than the gi for self defence in Quebec city. If its the summer and the guy is wearing a t shirt and shorts, your handles are gone, if its the winter or summer no gi won't change a thing.

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Originally Posted by Greg W

I copied it and FB messaged it to Rener directly, he responded back and we had an interesting dialog.

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really? what did he say? That reminds me, Ill post what the gracie douchbag said to me on facebook after I called him out like a year ago about what he said about 10th planet JJ that a monkey could defend that stuff or something like that. I can;t find it in eddies blog anymore though. And i the toolbar won't let me post it here.

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Originally Posted by Amir Allam

I'm glad everyone is being civil on here, because this is pretty badly biased. Of course, I can't blame R&R at all; if I had a superhero uncle who competed and was outclassed, I couldn't appear nearly as unbiased as they do. So I don't mind if they mildly discredit the vaporizer with their ignorance of the move's intricacies, or if they imply that Eddie was stalling by staying in that position (he clearly goes apeshit trying to finish).

No, what really bothers me is this talk of filters. The idea expresses precisely what is wrong with the dogmatic closed-mindedness of far too many traditional jiujitsu schools. While it is true that we can never fully remove our subjective bias from any of our value judgments, our 'filter' can be more or less restrictive. Based on the video, if I walk into a Gracie school as a new student, they'll tell me not to use the deep half and to ignore the way other people use it. In contrast, I can't tell you how many times Eddie has said, "I suck at this and I never use it, but we are going to drill heel-hooks/kneebars/berimbolo/single-legs/etc because it will be awesome for some of you and I've seen other people make it work." The filter that they (R&R) employ is so restrictive that they're even throwing out techniques which would be useful within their own paradigm, i.e., for self-defense on the street. In contrast, our (10th Planet's) filter is informed only by individual abilities, imagination, and the amount of time in a day. I can't speak for everyone, but I have never heard "<TECHNIQUE NAME> doesn't work" in a 10th Planet gym. To me, that is a very salient difference.

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Awesome reply Amir. Someone who's game I really respect has rolled with Rener and said he is phenomenal on the mat, but, I found the analysis in this video very disappointing. If I didn't know their last name, I would probably have no reservation in claiming that their analysis of Eddie's technique was incompetent .

The breakdown itself seemed a little bit biased, which to be expected, but the "filters" talk afterwards was some pretty passive-aggressive stuff