^and by winners I'm guessing in this case it would be the "richer." If only Fadda had a bigger marketing budget. :)
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^and by winners I'm guessing in this case it would be the "richer." If only Fadda had a bigger marketing budget. :)
That^ and the Gracies had a better plan. Lets multiply like wild pigs. There's just so many Gracies. Now we have generations of Gracies.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
Thanks for sharing this Ross.
hahah. True. Who else would market you better than your own kids?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack LaBarge
Thanks, but I totally got this from Sean Applegate during my trip to Decatur.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurzy
Wow I find it amazing that I have been doin Jiu Jitsu since 2000 and this is the first time I have heard of this
Lolololol, Yo I get tired going up some stairs too, damn
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Originally Posted by jack labarge
Apparently a lot of the info in this thread is covered in this book:
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Available here on kindle for $9.99: http://www.amazon.com/Choque-Untold-.../dp/B00JL3L44S
The truth is always more complicated than people make it out to be.
My personal favorite part of all this:
In the late '90s I was told that Maeda had been in Brazil to help Japanese immigrants establish themselves in Brazil and that Gastao Gracie was a local politician who did Maeda a few favors in exchange for jiu-jitsu lessons for his sons.
This is a very different tale than what is currently in Maeda's wikipedia entry:
"Gastão Gracie was a business partner of the American Circus in Belém. In 1916, Italian Argentine circus Queirolo Brothers staged shows there and presented Maeda."
The original made it sound like they were both damn near diplomats and now it looks like they were involved in circus acts.
So, I just learned some cool stuff: my gym traces it's lineage to Fadda. That makes me silly-happy for some reason. :D
It appears Jose Aldo and Nova União do as well.
That's pretty cool. It's not like this guy's line just disappeared.
Thanks again for sharing this. :)
From what I've been told, the leg lock stigma also comes from Luta Livre using them. It was seen as something used by the rivals of the jiu jitsu academies.
There is a thread on the UG BJJ forum about the origin of BJJ, I found this first post interesting:
"According to Roberto Pedreira's new BJJ history book, 'Choque', he states that there is no evidence Carlos Gracie ever trained with Maeda, which surprised me. I knew the other four brothers didn't train with Maeda, but I thought at least Carlos did.
Apparently, Carlos actually learned from Maeda's student, Donato Pires dos Reis. He also didn't start the Academia Gracie in 1925, according to Pedreira's book: instead, he took over Pires dos Reis' academy a couple of years after that, having previously been one of his assistant instructors"
Yea, the Gracie conspiracy is very interesting, yet kind of disappointing at the same time.
Interesting with the leg lock thing, Maeda studied some catch whilst in the UK and fought some catch guys so you would have thought he would have had a bunch of leg lock stuff. Fadda side were certainly proficient with them but Gracie's looked down on them. I remember Erik Paulson saying that he subbed a guy in Brazil with a knee bar and the crowd all booed him.
So early BJJ could be seen as a Judo/catch fusion but so was luta livre? Did the luta livre guys train with Maeda too? Would make sense.
Makes me even more happy that I have the Machado lineage, they always seemed a little more open minded with the training than most.
Rolls gracie is someone I recently started reading up on he seems like the last of the OG Gracie's that were open mind. I wonder what BJJ would have been like if he had not have passed away. He trained in multiple disciplines and was thought to be the best... Even better than rickson. http://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-fighter...gracie-profile