Would you do roids?

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Originally Posted by Tom Carbone

Taking steroids and taking TRT are two different discussions but I don't believe either of them are safe. So are you asking because you're just curious or are you actually considering trying steroids or TRT?

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Its refreshing to hear a guy who is absolutely jacked have this opinion about roiding :)

I wouldnt take them. If you asked me, which do you prefer:

1.) being on roids qnd tapping out someone who is not?
2.) not being on roids and tapping out someone who is?

For me its a no brained, I pick #2 any day. Call me old school, but i prefer poppey strength vs Lou Ferrigno strength any day.

For the record though, everyone is free to have their own opinion on it. Just stating my personal beliefs.

I thought everyone was on them....I certainly eat them everyday.

I have never taken anything like that before but I will supplement with Creatine for a couple months here and there.
One guy I work with was telling me I should look into peptides, but I don't feel like researching them when I have no intention of using them.
He swears it strengthened his immune system. He was suffering from a severe autoimmune disease that manifests itself as extreme athritis. It was really fucking him up. He was in his thirties and couldn't even get off the couch, he as was totally decrepit. He lost all his muscle mass, etc.
Now his lifting heavy and he is fit and he swears he has peptides to thank for it, and tells me they are either natural or close to natural. Again, I have not researched it.

I think having an open mind is vital when talking about this. I want to be the best athlete/Jiu Jitsu fighter I can be. If there is something available to supplement your goals in those areas idk why you wouldn't at least explore them. I would definitely do it if it was somewhat natural and could be done in a regulated, good way. I don't think it's "cheating" either. What about us tiny people man? We could use a little bit of a boost if it was decently healthy and legal. I always fight big girls. I would use if I found one that was going to suite me with minimal side effects and no needles.

parrot fish are a type of steroid...scaroid?? oh ok..same thing..

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Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren

The question was if they are

Legal, socially acceptable, and administered under the care of a professional.

Y'all are bringing up social issues. He excludes those in the initial question. Which is one of the reasons I answered "absolutely."

The only moral hang up left would be the idea of cheating. But cheating is breaking rules. Do any grappling organizations say that PEDs are cheating? IBJJF tests the Black Belts. Any others?

And I hear people talk about how they wanna be a "natural" athlete. Is there really any such thing? These same "natural" athletes take ungodly amounts of protein, caffeine, creatine, etc... There's nothing natural about getting jacked up on that pre-workout stuff so you can lift in a gym that a dude in the favelas doesn't have access to. Don't we all come equipped with our own set of advantages? That's the exciting part of sports. The idea of a level playing field is a fallacy. It can't exist.

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BMac that was almost prophetic brotha, I'm in awe of the whole response. Good stuff!

I found this reading definitely enlightening and insightful:

Ethical Debate:
http://www.t-nation.com/training/ste...rth-of-a-demon

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How a Pro Body Builder uses them and has seen others use them:
http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_onl...ith_shadow_pro

Bottom line Stroids make a difference. But I am still not into using them myself, although I don't judge others though as long as they are open and honest about what they are using.

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Originally Posted by Tori Applegate

I would use if I found one that was going to suite me with minimal side effects and no needles.

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This.

Watch bigger, stronger, faster

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Originally Posted by chris miah

Watch bigger, stronger, faster

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What did you take from the movie?

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Originally Posted by Tom Carbone

What did you take from the movie?

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steroids

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Originally Posted by Wancarlos

steroids

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:D

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Originally Posted by Tom Carbone

What did you take from the movie?

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- Steroids & PED's = Big $$$ for Big Pharma Corps., Professional Sports and Entertainment Industry

- Steroids & PED's change your body.

- I still like the satisfaction of knowing that my performance is a result of my own training.

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Originally Posted by Cody Kietzman

Would any of you do steroids if it were legal/accepted and administered in a regulated fashion by a trained professional? I'm talking in a way that doesn't fuck you up. I'm thinking like trt here. Pros cons thoughts?

Edit: when I say regulated I don't mean like fda (fuck those guys) I mean regulated levels and amounts for safety and balance.

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I already take performance enhancers. I can't roll without 3 pills of b12, protien shake 1.5 hours before, and my pre workout drink. I mean I can, but I tire out way faster. They enhance my performance. If I coudl take something that maxed out my body's potential so that I can roll as my mind wanted without being limited by my body, hell yeah I'd do it.

If I could afford it I'd probably be on 3 different kinds of PEDs right now. If there's something that can make me better physically, without negative side effects that would no longer make the performance boost worth it.. I'm game. Protein powder, trt cycles, weed, vitamin C, possibly HGH (haven't looked into that one enough to know all the details).. But yeah, I could care less what other people think.. If there's a way for me to get better, I'm down. Science isn't evil. If we as humans found a way to enhance ourselves.. I feel like it goes against nature NOT to do it.

I think it's hard for athletes (especially in jiujitsu) to accept the fact that there are some things other than reps that can improve your game. And when seeing as though performance enhancers are relatively new as far as human history goes.. People are naturally going to fear it. I give it 20 years before everyone is taking extreme genetic enhancements of some kind.

I take 100mg of pharm test cyp a week and im 37. Its really night and day how I feel day to day. I loved the way I felt at 24 and ill keep chasing that feeling into my fucking 90s if I can.

all this stupid shit coming up about PED and shit is retarded....I want my body to perform at its best with the least harm to it. If it benefits my well being and my health then STFW.

Give me what Chael got popped for.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren

Absolutely

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This.