That's why I thought of Geo entering. If Eddie is in it, at his weight disadvantage, it be nice to see Geo, too.
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That's why I thought of Geo entering. If Eddie is in it, at his weight disadvantage, it be nice to see Geo, too.
The line up is crazy. I wish I was going to be in LA for this one!
It's in Mexico CityQuote:
Originally Posted by Kurzy
Its crazy how big EBI is gettin . Who's the favorite going in? Who's the dark horse?
Meh, it is a combat sport. "Nothing to lose" isn't really true. Geo could easily get injured and lose his competition availability for awhile. Good luck to the smaller guys like Eddie and Gary, but it's a risk for sure. I can see Gary being big and strong enough to keep himself safe and be able to enter. Eddie is for sure in the risky zone, but his heelhook game probably has an easier time transitioning to bigger opponents than most styles. Geo however.. he could be competing at 135, too small imo. I would rather he just stays healthy for other comps. Plus his brother is already in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aiseop
Woot! Line up looks amazing. Just add Royce vs Eddie Bravo and I'm all in! :)
Favorite is Andre Galvao. I'd like to see a couple more names before picking a dark horse, but right now it's Yuri Simoes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Smith
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Originally Posted by Mike Nall
I agree with you Mike. I think Galvao is the favorite with cyborg right behind him. What do you think the chances are that eddie or garry make it to the finals?
Man. I gotta be careful how I say this because I'm a huge huge fan of both of them. I don't think the chances are that high. The bracket may shake out some more but right now it mostly seems like a medium heavyweight and up tournament with a few smaller guys thrown in. The Tonon and Magalhaes match at adcc was fun, and so was Cummings and Tanquinho, but I could see a lot of matches playing out like that for them. I mean there are 5 adcc gold medalists in this bracket (including 3 absolute gold winners) and none of them were smaller than 88kg (Galvao and Yuri). Cummings is a smaller guy and has been a black belt for a little over a year? I just don't know if he has the experience yet, but damn I can't wait to see what happens if he gets on some legs. His precision is unmatched.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Skaff
Tonon is harder to predict because his style is more random, but I think his best shot against a Cyborg or Galvao for example is the OT. His RNC is so killer and if he could somehow land one and manage to escape on the next go, he could walk away with it. I still think he's a young guy and has some experience left to go to be on the level of those uber elite guys. Lucas Lepri gave him a hell of a time at adcc and these guys are more on that Lepri level but are also larger men. We'll see. You can never count Tonon out and he's got a huge heart and is very tough and technical.
My gut doesn't think Lister will go that far. Just a feeling. He hasn't won a match since 2013 and I think he has a lot of injuries built up. I think Cyborg will go far, but I think Galvao is a terrible match for him and I know Cyborg had some cardio/heart issues before their adcc superfight, but Cyborg honestly had nothing for him. I think Galvao's style is tailor made for the OT (back and spider web) and he's big enough to not pressure the big guys and small enough to move with the small guys. He's the pound for pound best active no-gi athlete for a reason, but I think the dark horse here is Yuri. Even with adcc gold I think Yuri will be slept on until the event starts. His resume is better than people realize and his skill set is too.
Vinny as well. Vinny especially has a style where he could finish some matches super fast and be well rested for the deep rounds. Galvao has a win over him but it was 5 years ago and it wasn't by sub. So that could be a fun rematch also. Vinny could honestly submit everyone for the 50k and I wouldn't be surprised at all.
Even if Galvao doesn't tap everyone for the $50k, I think he takes it all.
Same here. And I don't think he will tap everyone either. Honestly when he had his best adcc performance where he became the third person to double gold at one event, he didn't tap everyone like Roger Gracie did or come just short of everyone like Braulio Estima did. But he got the best tap in the absolute final which is what people remember. That and the war with Palhares. But he has gotten a lot better at no-gi submissions in the past few years. The armbar and back chokes are his best submissions so the OT rules fit his style.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
Plus I have been thinking this about EBI for a long time and the better the competition, the less the subs. We'll still see them and EBI will still be awesome but I do expect the amount of subs to go down a bit. It's just not very common to see cream of the crop elite grapplers submit each other. Rafa Mendes and Cobrinha have had 14 matches and 1 submission. Rodolfo Vieira and Buchecha have had 6 matches and 1 submission. It's just so hard for these A1 guys to get submitted. And it's not because of points or anything like that. It's just at a certain level people get so damn good that they're never out of position to get subbed in the first place.
But a higher competition level under this ruleset is good, and even if less matches end in regulation they will still be fun and the OT will still give 6 good chances each match to see a sub. :cool:
Cyborg is going to win. I'm calling it. Sorry
That's my prediction.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
Love watching Eddie and Garry but its going to be a tough one for them to make it to the finals
The OT rounds are going to get tested very hard this time around IMO. There might be a situation, maybe even a few times, where there is a feeling of "can we really let this OT round go without time limit?". Think of Galvao on Vinny's back for example. Those OT rounds could last a very long time for both guys.
I also wonder about how it's going to get tested on the opposite side of that coin. If guys are pretty efficient at finding the sub each round, that's going to be extremely hard on the athletes. For example if we have Gary jaw crushing Vinny three rounds straight while Vinny picks spider web and rips Gary's arm off three rounds in return.. That's brutal. Fun to watch sure, but will be interesting to see how the athletes bodies hold up during that and after that. What if you've been arm barred two times in a row headed into the third OT? How is that arm feeling? How is that jaw feeling? Maybe it's fun to watch, maybe it causes a guy to give up mentally which would be interesting to see, but later on down the road do athletes start to feel the OT rounds are unsustainable/too hard on their bodies to want to come back?
I hope the new stalling rule gets actively implemented. It was added for the last EBI, but wasn't used and I think there were some times that it should have been used (if you're going to take an active stance with it, which I think would be best to encourage athletes to actively advance positions).
How the event goes will really come down to if the ruleset and money causes these guys to really go after it. No one is going to tap out guys like cyborg, galvao, vinny etc. if they are just rolling on cruise control. These guys are only going to be leaving openings if they are being aggressive, if they're willing to really exchange and take chances to try and get their own sub. Is the money going to be enough to encourage that? Will the OT rounds encourage this? Will the OT rounds hold up? Will the stall call penalties get them to turn it up pre OT? That's the difference here and it will be interesting to see if that difference in format causes these guys to attack at a level of aggression that opens each of them up to risk.
No it's not a bad call at all. The problem with looking at Andre galvao smashing him in their adcc superfight is that Cyborg suffered from tachycardia shortly before the match and was clearly gassed during most of the match. Most people still thought Galvao's style was a bad matchup for him but EBI 6 gets an opportunity at least at a rematch where Cyborg is healthy going into the match.Quote:
Originally Posted by elrith
Cyborg is strongest as a guard player IMO and Galvao's specific passes that he likes to use work very well against the type of guard that Cyborg likes to play, which is why I'd stil pick galvao. But Cyborg could beat Galvao or Cyborg could win EBI and never face Galvao. Anything can happen here.
It's going to be a longer event for sure. The Atos team often preachers that you never go backwards. So people like Rafa Mendes and Andre Galvao believe never to let go of a sub, because it's going backwards, and that the best place to be is the back. So they spend a lot of time just working on riding the back, because they don't believe in letting go of it once you get there. In this bad ass no-gi match from Rafa earlier this year, he rode the back for the better part of 10 mins before getting the RNC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDMAznWHVZA#t=10m13s To be fair Rafa seems to have better armbars from the back than RNCs but that match could've gone forever and he wouldn't have let Quexinho out of back control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Eddy
Never even thought about your opposite side of the coin (jaw/arm) stuff. Damn that's pretty crazy and it's a great point. We've seen a lot of escape time wins but maybe we'll see a fastest sub time win, or at least a fair amount of multiple subs in OT rounds. There could even be injury dropouts like back in the early UFC days.
How does the new stalling rule work?
So many questions that you're right, can only be answered by the tournament. Can't wait.
Yea one of the few (only?) guys left able to pass some of these "unpassable" guard players. Impressive match and a great example of how long an elite level guy can maintain back control as well as how long it takes him to tap out another elite guy with that control position. Galvao is going to be very similar I imagine. Unless we just start seeing guys go more aggressively for that jaw crush as it seems to be an option that's much easier to get to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Nall
The new stalling rule is that a stall call equals +15 OT seconds if it makes it to OT (might be 30 seconds each call, not sure). If used actively it should dissuade the strategy of trying to just coast/survive until OT rounds as by then you will have racked up a lot of penalty time if you stalled to get there.