Thats the point. You can see Chicago across the lake 40 miles away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig Murray
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o37t6iBS_q4
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Thats the point. You can see Chicago across the lake 40 miles away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig Murray
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o37t6iBS_q4
Ok so then I have an easy experiment. Get on a boat with a telescope or binoculars and go 4 miles out into the lake. Look at your friend who's standing on the beach.
You should see him if there is no curvature.
When you cannot see him, have him shoot a flare gun in the air.
He's on a boat and it looks like he's a lot closer than 40 milesQuote:
Originally Posted by Jason Mallory
Watch the video.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig Murray
Well here's where I'm at with it. You guys have not even attempted to address a 17 hour day in Argentina. Instead you want to disprove the curvature. Unfortunately I cannot do any experiments here at home right now to look at curvature.
If I was able to do some experiments myself and could convince myself that there was no curvature, then I wouldn't have a model at all. The Flat Earth model doesn't work right for 1000 reasons. So if it's not flat, and there is no curvature, then wtf is it?
It's flat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig Murray
i watched pieces of it. At one point they said they lost the drone footage. At another point they were joking about not being able to do math. Some stuff about hot spots, whatever that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Mallory
This video convinces me of very little.
17 hour day in Argentina? Obviously it's not flat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Mallory
Worth noting that in Argentina in December when they are having a 17 hour day, Sidney Australia is having a 14 hour day.
Explain that on Flat Earth plz.
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/aust...ydney?month=12
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/arge...huaia?month=12
I've seen the 200 proofs video, it's a joke. Most of it is babble.
Anyway you keep posting videos, my point was less videos more thinking.
Think about the length of the day for awhile, let me know when you come up with something.
Your cognitive dissonance is impeding your ability to think. At this time I'm taking advantage of this to post videos for other people viewing this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig Murray
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RIBO7VB0VE
that mountain video is the best yet. The guy's on a mountain looking at other mountains, trying to detect curvature of the Earth.... yet another opportunity to think for yourself and watch less videos.
Is that why you dont want to talk about Argentina? My cognitive dissonance?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Mallory
I'm not claiming to know exactly what the shape of the earth is I am however saying that the evidence that we have been given at the very least how round they say it is is false.
Agreed. I don't know the exact shape of the earth either. I've never seen a real picture of it from far enough away. But I do know that it is flat. Of course there are hills and valleys but overall... it's flat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humanfit
I'm skeptical about everything now. I don't believe we landed on the Moon, so what wouldn't they fake? You know?
You seem so snarky but to be honest you are kind of embarrassing yourself in my opinion. Sorry. He's not just looking at them. Their height is measured by sea level, not some fool with a tape measure from the ground... So knowing the height, as measured from sea level (barometricly I believe), allows their position relative to one another to shed quite a lot of light on what the shape of said level would be or at least how it expresses itself across a predetermined distance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig Murray
I think it's also extremely rude to treat someone like they aren't even thinking for themselves because they don't agree with you. #whitebeltinmanners
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Originally Posted by Humanfit
So you dont believe nasa photos but you believe what the USGS tells you about the elevation of a mountain from sea level? And you're going to use that to prove Earth is Flat?
So the same people who told you the earth is round (usgs) tells you that the mountain should be X feet, and that makes you think it's flat.
I would be a lot less snarky if someone would tell me how Argentina has a 17 hour day in the same month that Sidney has a 14 hour day on the Flat Earth map.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humanfit
So yeah, people who want to just disregard that are not thinking for themselves. If you are persuaded by some dude with an iphone talking for an hour about mountain heights and you disregard the obvious observable flaws in your model, you are not thinking.
Here's what you do to know for sure. On Dec 21st travel to southern Argentina. Note the daylight hours. Then fly to Fairbanks Alaska, and make more notes. Then fly to Sidney Australia and make more notes.
Now go back home and try to draw a picture of your flat earth that makes sense.
If after that exercise you still think it's flat, you're not thinking.
You want to tell me it's flat because some english guy couldnt prove curvature in some canal experiment he did in the 1800's or whatever, that's not compelling. A dude in a boat with with a drone looking at Chicago is not compelling. A guy on his iphone looking at information from some government agency, that's not compelling.
What's compelling is I can explain why the sun is where it is when I look at it, everywhere on Earth, at all times of the year.
Big gulps huh? ... Cooool .... Well, see ya later!
Wow looks like I avoided a major shit storm.
You both are right on some things and mistaken with some things.
Earth is indeed stationary. Michelson-Morley, Sagnac, Airy's failure all prove this conclusively. Don't listen to the mainstreams deliberate obfuscation of the data. Study the original experiments. Stay away from Wikipedia. Could a Geocentric stationary globe model exist? It's possible, but has a lot of holes in it. The mainstream globe model is most certainly wrong though.
Earth is also not flat. We know this by observing the pole stars rotating in opposite directions in the hemispheres.
So now we know what earth isn't. Out of all the models, which has the ONLY physical line experiment ever done to back it up? Concave Earth and the Rectilineator experiment. It is the surest bet, which qualifies both a stationary earth and explains everything we observe in the night sky, including phenomenon the heliocentric model fails at such as geigenshein, lunar eclipse when sun and moon are together in the sky, planetary retrograde etc.
Just sit still and pay close attention. Earth is not moving.
People all over the world are testing the curvature and demonstrating that it's flat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvcJ8XumBig
Jason, every single video made by flat earthers of the curvature shows that the earth isn't flat. The bottom portion of the objects at a distance are always clipped off, which wouldn't happen if the earth were flat.
Take this video which "proves" there is no curvature: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP7lyAKNpj4
Look at the difference in visibility between close to sea level and 35 feet elevation:
http://image.prntscr.com/image/c5047...dffbbccb15.png
Do you realize the surface of the earth is not flat and every single video made by flat earthers trying to show flatness actually disproves it?
Perspective explains it. There is a vanishing point to perspective. No matter how powerful the zoom is on any telephoto lens there is a point where the bottom of an image will appear to be cut off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primalredemption
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63bK7AnWNWw
I don't think you get it. At sea elevation the platform clearly is cut off by 20 feet. The image is in view and doesn't matter how much more you zoom in- you will still have the same perspective. Because your perspective is only changing with elevation, not zoom level. You could zoom in all the way to the molecules of the platform and the bottom 20 feet would still be cut off.
At 35 feet elevation the pillars come fully into view. I took the time to prove to you that a video used as evidence for flat earth actually disproves it, so please show some intellectual integrity and acknowledge that flat earthers everywhere are not actually disproving curvature.
No... I don't think you get it or watched the video explaining how perspective works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primalredemption
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63bK7AnWNWw
I admit I do not have a lot of time to watch FE videos and that if I have time to watch videos it is MTS or other Grappling stuff. I am always interested in hearing different opinions though. I am wondering how FE describes the video from the Red Bull Felix Baumgartner Space Dive that appears to show the curvature of the earth?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF0hyKr1xss
It's a wide angle 'fish eye' camera lens. At one point in the complete video you can see the earth from the camera inside the capsule which shows the horizon to be flat. In the video below you can see the horizon is flat at 120,000 feet which should be high enough according to the math to see the curve. If you don't actually take the time to watch the videos and think about it then f.e. will continue to be a dumb thing that you can't believe people buy into, like I did, until I tried to debunk it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NameLikeNoOther
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQITXbcz2hg
Except I already debunked it, with multiple proofs, right in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Mallory
Still waiting for an explanation of day length in the southern hemisphere.
You want to post videos listening to some guy ramble on about perspective, but you don't want to consider my question of why the Sun does not appear to DOUBLE in size during the day.
You accuse me of cognitive dissonance, but you repeatedly ignore obvious proof of the invalidity of your model.
I admit that I don't know everything about the flat earth and I don't know if anyone does. I do know one thing that can be demonstrated to be true and cannot be disproven... according to the official numbers of science and experimentation, it's flat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig Murray
There is no curve. It has never been detected.
Saying you don't know enough about it is a cop-out because the implication is that if you just knew more, you'd be able to explain a 17 hour day in the Southern Hemisphere. It's like a way of saying "I cannot refute your proof so I'll claim ignorance".Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Mallory
You need one of those "I want to believe" shirts, but with a disk Earth picture with the disco-ball Sun orbiting the North Pole.
https://www.henrymakow.com/upload_im...ones%20(2).jpg
Show me a 17 hour day in Argentina on that map. You can't.
Now tell me, is that because you just "dont know enough" or it is because the model is wrong?