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the point of bjj is so you don't need that shit.
I can smile for a camera in this position too!Quote:
Originally Posted by sly
I never (rarley) ask anyone to treat me differently nor do I baby myself while training or rolling. It is when I get home and can't lift my arms to shampoo my hair or can't walk in the morning that I pay my dues.
Just for the record, on top of being 36 I am 5' 5" and 140lbs :) I focus on technique and speed, not matching strength (most of the time).
So has anyone done this? Please speak up, cause im all for thwarting mother nature's cruel paradox that is aging.
Comparing this to juicin is like comparing taking three advil for a back ache to washin down 3 loritabs with a bottle of codine. They ABUSE it. They take 1000's of times of what would be required. One life, I plan on taking full advantage.
Agreed, I'm only 24 but I like to hear about how this stuff helps people. He isn't trying to become Mr. Universe just a boost to continue doing what he loves.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
I know many people who do this due to age and injury, it helps them immensely with more energy, muscle tone and strength )like a young man) libido, just make sure you are under the care of a doc like the one i posted before, to make sure your hormone levels are optimum. From what i have seen it has been good. but do the research talk to the doc, make an educated decision.
i never said u were a pussy. so i though it was funny he was saying that. i understand were u comeing from. im sure it would be nice to be able to train like you were young again. but the way this was posted was just asking if anyone has used it. so it could go both ways when you ask it like that. if they use it to help them out or if they use it to get the upper hand. all i know about that crap is that abunch of young ppl use it to get them super big. i went on youtube and checked out videos of ppl on the stuff. and they are huge.thats why i said ppl who use the crap are pussys. one again i never was calling u a pussy. it would have just been better if you explained why you wanted it a lil moreQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris Urbanski
1.he did a lot more then smile for the cameraQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris Urbanski
2.sometimes you learn more not going 100% and it gives your body a break
3.i don't know the harmful affects because most studies show the affects if you abuse them, so if you think it helps go for it.
@ Allan, you made some assumptions and some huge sweeping generalizations. Maybe you should have asked or read my post more carefully.
Having said that this thread is for the people that actually understand and can contribute intelligently with experience and or fact.
I have spoken to a few people and researched with agencies like Cenegenics that have legit programs that test you thouroughly, prescribe you accordingly and monitor you every 3 months. I have heard nothing but great things. I had one friend that was on the HGH and Test on his own and had no bloodwork, baseline tests, and no ongoing monitoring and his results were very inconsistant. One week he was big another week small, he was doing too much and had to cycle etc. By the way if you do it right and in recommended doses you do not have to cycle.
1. I was joking.Quote:
Originally Posted by sly
2. Thanks for the advice.
3. Agreed.
Im only 25 but herzog mad props for that post lol
Chris, does insurance cover? Price range?
No insurance does not cover it. I heard it is like $700 / Month and if you do HGH it is $1,000 / month MORE.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
guess I will have to keep feeling old! I'm 35 and I rolled/drilled two hours this morning and now I can barely walk. I have lower back pain and nothing that I have found helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Urbanski
To be fair, he asked: "Any guys on HGH or Testosterone? Age management?" He didn't ask for opinions from the peanut gallery, he asked for the opinions of anyone who has any experience with HGH, Testosterone, and/or age management (he said "on HGH..." not "...have looked up HGH on YouTube"). Age management is an ongoing area of legitimate medical research. Even if it were not, nobody asked what your (or anyone else's) general opinions on HGH, test, or age management were. If I ask if anyone has experience treating the nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea that comes with Crohn's disease with marijuana I'm really not all that interested in the opinions of those who don't. I didn't ask what the opinions about medical marijuana are; I asked for the experiences of those who have used it. So did Chris. He shouldn't have to write a three-page blog explaining why he's interested before you chime in with: "all that crap is 4 pussys." That's how forum wars start.Quote:
Originally Posted by AllanSwann
Agreed. I think of it like a car: I'm never going to be a Ferrari. Randy Couture can still compete at a very high level because he's starting from a point of genetic advantage -- he's a Ferrari. But he still needs to keep that machine tuned and maintained very precisely to perform at that level. Take a Ferrari and fill it with shitty gas, don't change the oil, etc, etc, and you still have a Ferrari; just not the peak machine you could have. I'm a Toyota. No amount of maintenance and tuning is going to turn me into a Ferrari, but if I take really good care of my Toyota it can perform at its peak. I might not beat the Ferrari off the line, but I can give the other Toyotas hell if I really try to optimize its performance. Age Management protocols utilizing HGH and hormone replacement are about tuning and maintaining the engine you have. Juicing is about trying to turn a Toyota into a monster truck. That's where the problem is.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
man in these 6 pages it does not look like anyone uses the stuff. so wtf is anyone posting? whos asking for 3 pages? after i said that he put it out there in like 3 lines. not tryin to start a war. just put it out there. if some one didnt like it they could have just left it at that . just remember it takes 2. now lets get back to it. who is on HGH Testosterone or age management??? and dont post if your not because it gets people upsetQuote:
Originally Posted by Jason Hyatt
Talk about me im fine. Talk about my teammate(even out of context). Issues.
You fucked with Rochester man.
allan you have stopped while you were ahead. Jason will fight for his team just as hard as he fights to get out of submissions. LET IT GO! I would people to start posting any info they have on the topic, cause i'm not getting any younger. So if I could slow things down and compete into my 40's I for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
my mom had cancer for 3 years and passed away last year from "complications". she was sick 4 a long time b4 they knew what was wrong with her. she went through kemo and all that crap. after that she was doing alittle better. than a few months later they started giving her hormones and steroids and from that point on she started going downhill fast. i was with her in the hospital the last few days of her life she passed away oct 9th 2009 which also happened to be my 23rd birthday. im not telling you all this to make you feel bad or anything like that. im just letting you know my experience with life/death and all the stuff in between. who knows if the hormones and steroids and anything to do with it. but i know they didnt help her out. i now HGH and all that other stuff is prob different. but after going through all that for so long it totaly turned me off to anything like that. thats why i said be happy with what god gave you. if you dont belive in go god than just be happy with what you have. and dont try to change it. my mom was only 51 years old to me she was to young to go. if you all want to keep talkin shit than go ahead thats fine with me i dont know any of you and i prob. never will. if i knew that that post would start so much shit i would not have put it. maybe i 2 should have put a little more backround why i feel that way. maybe i should have just kept it to my self. but it is what it is. im dont with this thread. thake it easy guys and once again
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
There is absolutely nothing wrong with using medicine and technology to positively affect the quality of your life.
Chris, I sent you a PM. It's not much, but maybe it'll give you some resources for places to gather information. I have considered using both supplemental test and HGH now that I'm in my 30s, and I know A LOT of guys who have. Coming from a background in powerlifting and Olympic-style weightlifting, it's very commonplace for me.
Hey Richard, I just read your PM. Thanks bro. I will reply later. Thanks for the info.
I am 41 also and once I turned 40 shit fell apart. Literally 2 weeks after my 40th b day i herniated a disk in my back/neck and found out another is bulging. A couple of weeks ago I blew the tendon out in my elbow doing a light roll, it feels absolutly no better. When I was 25 this would have healed in no time. I train pretty hard 4-5 days a week for 3 hours a night with younger guys and I compete when I can. I would not consider this cheating if it is just to bring levels to a point to stimulate health and healing, not growth.
I take testosterone injections every 10 days. Im 34 and at my age im not producing as much testosterone as I did when I was younger so its actually good for me to take the stuff. I get mine legally but I would not be against going underground to get it, but steroid dealers dont take blue cross blue shield.
So your insurance covers it?
Hey Mr. Awesome, were you tested as being deficient? How much do you inject? Insurance covers it for you? Thanks for the feedback.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr.awesome51
wasn't able to get through the entire thread.. but as always I must put my 2cents in :P
TRT is the way to go.. HGH is not needed.. and when I'm completely crippled and 50ish there is a high probability that I'm gonna go that route.. unless I dip way under sooner.
care to elaborate a little more mister awesome?
if you want to juice just fucking do it. ive heard its awesome as fuck. just make sure you do it smart, no damage to your body then
Hey Thanks Patrick. Lol. What we (the people who are curious, interested etc) are doing is some research and sharing experiences. Thanks for your profound input though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Carey
i am easily amused and this made my dayQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris Urbanski
Pourya, you just know ME and ROCH mentality! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Pourya Samari
this thread got me thinking about it so much i did my research and i exibit most of the signs of low test so i went and got some "pink pill "(they are hot pink ) and just popped two five minutes ago i'll post results at the end of the bottle and let you all know
Why not go to your doctor and have blood work done so you know your exact levels and ranges so you can work off that. Last thing you want to do is mess yourself up. As in wtf are pink pills..
pink magic the pills are called sorry
I don't know if these links work outside the hospital or not. These are a couple of comprehensive articles from UpToDate. The first is "Growth hormone deficiency in adults"
http://www.uptodate.com/online/conte...=search_result
The second is "Use of androgens and other performing enhancing drugs by athletes"
http://www.uptodate.com/online/conte...=search_result
"Endocrine changes with aging"
http://www.uptodate.com/online/conte...=search_result
There are several others, but until I know the links are good for folks outside of the hospital I'll refrain from posting them all. If they don't work, let me know and I'll see if I can just get the original documents in .pdf and link them.
I beleive the normal Total Testosterone Levels range from 700 (low) - 900 (high). From what I read an 18 - 25 can be as high as 1200 or 1400!
Jay the links are only available to those that have a subscription to up to date
Poo. I'll see if I can get the original articles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
Chris.....I have a buddy that does growth purely for maintenance, at least thats what he says, and he swears by it. He is in his early 40's and tells me he feels better than he ever has. I don't know much about it, but he says the dosage he takes is much lower than someone that is using it to get huge or whatever it is that steroid guys are trying to do.
recover fast.. so they can train harder and more etc.. Thats pretty much the whole purpose of peds. Or if your test is low you do some trt to come to normal levels so you aren't depressed, able to sleep properly etc..