This shit is fucking unfair

our perception of our own realities are what help us define ourselves. Do you think any of those fighters I named would have accomplished what they did if they did not believe that they could? Genetics is a very good thing to have, but it's not what makes you a champion. Genetics is what you make it out to be. If you believe it's a limiting factor it will limit you. But I guarantee you that the one thing in common between all those people that I named is that they did not believe it would limit them. and in the end it didn't.

maybe because the thread is hating on weight cutting even though dan hardy cuts weight too. just because johnson cuts more weight, he's the bad guy ?

Genetics is not something that's fixed and permanent... as some would have you believe... In fact, eating GMOs will alter your DNA... Meditation can too...

Stop being a slave to your past and start being the architech of your future!

As Man Thinketh - James Allen. If people knew about thoughtforms 100 years ago, why're we still guessing today?

I want a colon cleansing! I figure an attitude like that can really help me in jiu jitsu.

I had posted a similar thread about a month ago... I'm not for weight cutting or for weight classes neither. I think there should be an "absolute weight class" in mma, then we will see who's the bad ass in mma.

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Originally Posted by Brent Elton

Ya and reach and height should be considered as well
Look at jon jones
Fucking 84.5 inch reach and everybody else in lhw is what 74? Its bullshit take jones' height and reach away snd hes shit
Put him into heavyweight and he would get man-handled

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Dude this is twice you have said something this stupid. Jon Jones' reach advantage is huge, yes, but its just how the sport is played. GET OVER IT!! Miguel Torres has like a 10'' reach advantage in his division and I dont see you crying about that.

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Originally Posted by Freddy Chavez

maybe because the thread is hating on weight cutting even though dan hardy cuts weight too. just because johnson cuts more weight, he's the bad guy ?

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Hey man, look I try to keep things as respectful as possible, but do you have any reading and comprehension skills at all? This thread does not blame Johnson, or is about Hardy. They were just an example, and you could replace them with any other two fighters who fight in the same weight class but have large size differences. I am trying to find the answer to a question. The question is " What is the point of having weight classes, when you have 230 pounders competing at welterweight. " I am well aware that every fighter cuts a bit weight, but should't there be something preventing from people abusing the one day prior weigh in schedule?

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Originally Posted by AndyK5

Hey man, look I try to keep things as respectful as possible, but do you have any reading and comprehension skills at all? This thread does not blame Johnson, or is about Hardy. They were just an example, and you could replace them with any other two fighters who fight in the same weight class but have large size differences. I am trying to find the answer to a question. The question is " What is the point of having weight classes, when you have 230 pounders competing at welterweight. " I am well aware that every fighter cuts a bit weight, but should't there be something preventing from people abusing the one day prior weigh in schedule?

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As I said earlier.. its possible but you probably wouldn't enjoy the outcome as much as you think you would. Also because Johnson cuts so much weight its possible to wear him out. He takes that risk hoping for another advantage. Its all part of the strategy.. I think you're just upset at how Johnson won and the fact that hardy didn't win.. hardy just doesn't have what it takes to beat someone like Johnson.. its not like Johnson is unbeatable.

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Originally Posted by zaya

Dan hardy just needs to keep working. If this theory were true please explain how Jean Jacques Machado, who was born with essentially one hand won nearly every bjj championship in Brazil and Abhu Dhabi, and the Pan Ams. Twice.

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I was not suggesting it was a hard fast rule. There are exceptions. But hey...some people really do excel because of genetic advantages. I simply submitted that you can't hate on someone that is able to cut 60 pounds. If you do, then you hate on Bones' reach and all the other things that have nothing to do with time in the gym but the way your body just is.

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As I said earlier.. its possible but you probably wouldn't enjoy the outcome as much as you think you would. Also because Johnson cuts so much weight its possible to wear him out. He takes that risk hoping for another advantage. Its all part of the strategy.. I think you're just upset at how Johnson won and the fact that hardy didn't win.. hardy just doesn't have what it takes to beat someone like Johnson.. its not like Johnson is unbeatable.

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Exactly. This really is just seeming like a hater thread. Sorry...is the OP upset that Johnson just cuts better than Hardy? I think Hardy would be better served by learning how to defend takedowns as opposed to worrying how much someone cuts. What's the most johnson gets back that day...20 lbs? well hardy gains weight back too.

I hope someone did not already say this (I haven't had time to read the whole thread yet), but what about multiple weigh ins? Why not have guys weigh in 4 weeks before, 2 weeks before, and day before? I'd like to see Anthony Johnson make 170 in that case. Seems like it would be a way to moderate weight cutting without getting rid of the system entirely, or without preventing someone who is 2 lbs over from losing it

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Originally Posted by Harry Evans

I hope someone did not already say this (I haven't had time to read the whole thread yet), but what about multiple weigh ins? Why not have guys weigh in 4 weeks before, 2 weeks before, and day before? I'd like to see Anthony Johnson make 170 in that case. Seems like it would be a way to moderate weight cutting without getting rid of the system entirely, or without preventing someone who is 2 lbs over from losing it

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i like this idea.

I don't :P but I resist change.. and weight cutting as been a strategy aspect of this type of sport for a long... long.. time(also with that "rule" you could still put away 20ish lbs.. best deterrent is hydration tests.. and literally banning weight cutting..).

I'm with Davis on this.. this doesn't seem like a discussion on weight cutting at all but just people that are upset that Hardy lost and blame it on Johnsons ability to cut a lot of weight when that may have only been a very small part of the reason Hardy actually lost.

Has anyone even given a solid argument as to why the rule should be reexamined other then just because? I personally still see it as a fighters choice whether he does or not. He has to weigh his options and decide if it actually gives him an advantage.

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Originally Posted by Brent Elton

Ya and reach and height should be considered as well
Look at jon jones
Fucking 84.5 inch reach and everybody else in lhw is what 74? Its bullshit take jones' height and reach away snd hes shit
Put him into heavyweight and he would get man-handled

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i hope this was sarcastic...

If mma was easy. More people would do it. Weight Cutting is a part of the game. Just like wrestling. Next you'll be saying anybody with a wrestling advantage shouldn't be allowed to compete with Hardy.