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There are a lot of joint locks for self defense that are taught in BJJ schools which are based on aikido. Reputable BJJ schools will not color belt you unless you are proficient with some street viable self defense techniques and alot of them are forearm and wrist manipulations.
well, BJJ is all about joint manipulation is the biggest part of the art...I don't think you could say a joint lock is based on aikido. I would very much like to see some aikido sparring that is not using 100% compliant opponents.
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Originally Posted by James Davis
I'd like to see it used vs a half decent boxer or wrestler even.
I thought people gravitated towards 10th planet forums because they're more open-minded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie
akido wrist locks are used in bjj comps all the time. the video I gave ARE joint locks based on akido. Like Andy said, many akido wrist locks are a part of BJJ. Of all the BJJ practitioners in the world there's not a doubt in my mind that one of them has used a wrist lock based on an akido technique in compitition.Quote:
Originally Posted by James Davis
Nope, people gravitate towards the 10th planet forums because they like the 10th planet system.Quote:
Originally Posted by petenguyen
What a silly conclusion on your part.
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Originally Posted by AndyK5
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Originally Posted by zaya
What do you know! a Roy Dean blue belt test and not even one wrist lock! even from Roy Dean himself!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-wuu...feature=relmfu
and look here, a Roy Dean purple belt test and still no wrist locks or anything resembling aikido. I know I know they save the powerful aikido tech for the brown belts right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo5lmQsWT5M&feature=relmfu
look he finally hits a wrist lock in his brown belt test! but only in the live roll not the demo portion of the test. Im sure they would not have given him his brown belt if he would have finished with an arm bar instead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8WeGrQOKBs&feature=relmfu
Maybe Eddie can tell us if wrist locks are right up there with double lotus. I bet JJ Machado was like "ya ya Eddie I know you tapped Royler but you have to learn the wrist locks to get your black belt!" and they probably had a 3 hr training session on wrist locks right before he got his black belt.
so you acknowledge wrist locks have legitimate submission/braking abilities but than you mock them using someone who really believes in them and has a black belt in two (if not more) martial arts? Don't you think that he wouldn't teach them any more if they didn't work?
Something great about Aikido that people don't normally see in my opinion is there footwork and ability to enter to clinch distance. It is made to look easy but when noticed looking easy is a tribute to the technique.
I've had my squabbles about Aikido, but I have not thought it was useless or not legit at the high levels.
no read a little closer I was mocking the guys who said wrist locks were mandatory in most bjj schools to advance in rank by showing A bjj black belt who advocates them not requiring them in his ranking tests. And yes I conceded from the beginning that wrist locks are a viable submission just not the way I have seen used in aikido. I.E. as take downsQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Valdez
cops use them as take downs on the regular. what more do you need?
One of the core principals of aikido is to defend your self with out harming your attacker and on that point I stand by my original statement that aikido is a joke. The founder of aikido was integrating his religious beliefs in to the development of aikido.
show me. Three on one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Valdez
maybe for control but I doubt as an effective one on one take down. Ive watched my fair share of "Cops" and ive never seen it.
we all just got trolled
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Originally Posted by petenguyen
Jonathan, your mocking is not properly adressed my friend. I did not say you will not be belted unless you know Aikido wrist locks, lets not twist words here. I said you will not be belted in a reputable BJJ school unless you know some self defense. It is a part of the whole Brazilian Jiu jitsu curriculum. Then I said there are moves in that curiculum which rely on joint manupulation which are originated from Aikido.
Also probably except Gracies, there is no such thing as belt testing. Meaning, if somebody is in a "belt testing" enviroment, than his instructors has already decided that he is ready for the next level, and his is going to get that belt at the end of the day no matter what. The guy rolling with lots of people to the brink of exhaustion and trying to demonstrate everything he knows is more of the ceremony than actual testing.
For your information at our school, even during the ceremony, some aspects of self defence is demonstrated by the promoting students.
maybe we could just adjust the aikido is a joke statement to...
it's a joke if you think it can be used in any type of sport fashion? Heck...I don't know. I guess my thing is that if we put the wraps on and spar...whose going to win? I have never seen aikido performed in anything other than a demo with full compliant participants, even with segal. You see a lot of people flopping on the floor from barely being touched and a lot of clapping. As far as I'm concerned, it's right up there with chi force and pressure points.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfjFg8rMdW8Quote:
Originally Posted by James Davis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIDm1tztgVc&feature=related
akido can be put to use on the ground. If you're argument is "well these locks are only used in BJJ", then that is not true at all. These wristlocks are a fusion of BJJ and akido (and it's also fair to give some credit to JJJ and ninjitsu). Like it or not, akido CAN and HAS been used effectively in a sports environment. I mean where do you think the lock's mechanics came from? No one here is trying to say akido is useful by itself. No martial art is really against a trained fighter. But like it or not there are elements of akido in BJJ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7GfQdB9a8Y&feature=player_embedded#at=45
look at the wristlock at :38. That's a successful fusion of BJJ and akido. Don't try and tell me no ones ever done this to you. If they haven't, keep rolling, and it'll happen.
"akido can be put to use on the ground. If you're argument is "well these locks are only used in BJJ", then that is not true at all. These wristlocks are a fusion of BJJ and akido (and it's also fair to give some credit to JJJ and ninjitsu). Like it or not, akido CAN and HAS been used effectively in a sports environment. I mean where do you think the lock's mechanics came from? No one here is trying to say akido is useful by itself. No martial art is really against a trained fighter. But like it or not there are elements of akido in BJJ. "
Nothing comes from aikido it was developed in the early 20th century and since bjj was developed around the same time in brazil and aikido in Japan Im pretty sure aikido had no influence on bjj. Morihei Ueshiba developed aikido based on his training in other martial arts like aiki jujutsu. And aikido cant be put use on the ground because there are no ground techniques in aikido. Wrist locks can be put to use on the ground.
Point taken, but isn't self defense a part of most martial arts curriculum? and if you read my previous post you will understand how joint manipulation did not originate from aikido and aikido definitely had no influence on bjj.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyK5
fair enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie