ya what the fuck? and diaz sure as shit shouldn't be on that list.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
that list is a joke. who out there is talking up brett rogers? or mckee?
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ya what the fuck? and diaz sure as shit shouldn't be on that list.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
that list is a joke. who out there is talking up brett rogers? or mckee?
Where is Phil Baroni?
Hey he's the best eva!Quote:
Originally Posted by Phill Schwartz
Gegard Mousasi?
Really?
I wouldn't say his ground game sucks, certainly not with 10 subs under his belt in mma.
The "draw" with Jardine was a joke, he won that fight handily.
Even with the illegal blow, he was 10-8 in every round.
Saying he would crumble to anyone who was top ten is more of an assumption than anything.
At least with some of the other people on the list he can point to fights where they were brought in and favored as the winner but lost.
Diaz lost a really weird fight though, he wasn't destroyed as most people like to think, and as far as Mayhem goes, he was NEVER hyped as a fighter.
I don't think anyone ever though Mayhem had a real shot at anything other than top 20 status.
Which, he holds well.
He could take out 90% of fighters in his division and make it look easy, but look at his past bouts, he gets into the big leagues and wilts.
It's heart breaking as a Mayhem fan, but it was expected.
Fedor I totally agree with though, and it's further solidified by all the people who will jump down your throat screaming about how much of an uneducated moron you are for suggesting Fedor might not be the greatest fighter in the history of ever no matter how long mma goes on for.
Even if he was Jesus Christ incarnate, he still couldn't live up to the hype his fans put out for him.
Agree with the entire thing except for Fedor and Diaz
Take off Franklin, Fedor, Diaz, I am not even going to try to explain why they should not be on that list. If you don't get it, then you do not understand why Babe Ruth was great although he could have been destroyed by some of today's pitchers. Add Baroni, Trigg and I am going to take alot of shit for this but.... Rickson. Don't tell him I said that though. Shields needs to be higher on the list right in front of Kimbo.
Honestly, right now, i would put Rampage Jackson up there as overrated. The guy refuses to evolve as a mixed martial artist, and he only has 1 way of winning a fight. And when he loses because of HIS lack of evolution, he blames EVERYONE else but himself.
At this point, i personally think the whole 205 division 'has his number'. :-)
I think Rich Franklin is pretty overrated.. Who has he really beat?
I think there's a difference between currently overrated and always overrated. Like Fedor. For a while he was being overrated because he was wasting years beating UFC washouts and cans and retirees. But when he was the king of Pride, he was not overrated. At that time Pride had the best HW's and Fedor was king.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emir Mehovic
When you say most overrated of ALL time, Franklin can't be there. Franklin beat all the top guys back when he was the champ. Same with Fedor. Right now he's only taking big name fights like once every millennia so he shouldn't rank high. But to think he was always overrated is a stretch.
Who has Franklin beaten lately? Besides an old Wandy and an old Liddell? Doesn't sound impressive now, but he has beaten tough guys. Evan Tanner. Yushin Okami. Matt Hammil. IMO he beat Henderson. He got robbed in that fight. Franklin was a former champ for a reason. He was not over rated.
I think he overrates himself though. He honestly wants another shot at the title. But he won't face tough up and comers. Dude, if you wanna prove that you're still in the mix, you gotta prove that you can beat these guys. Not just older guys on the edge of retirement.
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Originally Posted by Sam Sales
Totally agree, that's like a no brainer.
Sadly this list sucks.
Everyone thought Rampage was amazing when he revenged his losses to an aging Wanderlai, and then came in and caught Chuck Liddel being his reckless hands down self.
People often mistake the sport evolving for their favorite fighter merely being past his prime.
The Jones fight was just so weird to watch....Rampage knew he was losing the striking battle, but he refused to try anything else because he was scared to go to the ground with Jones.
His arms were shot and he clearly wasn't going to pull out a knockout.
He just kind of accepted that he was going to lose a decision...till he got subbed of course.
I absolutely HATE seeing fights like that, especially when the person is coasting on a decision in their favor.