That's what I am saying. I swear if they let this match allow left hooks for even two minutes and Cyborg landed even close to a strong breeze, he probably would have won instantaneously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cody Kietzman
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That's what I am saying. I swear if they let this match allow left hooks for even two minutes and Cyborg landed even close to a strong breeze, he probably would have won instantaneously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cody Kietzman
Yeah but he knew what he was committing to when he was invited: A Jiu Jitsu match with a professional.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle Spalla
Saw this on Henach's facebook page and had to share:
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There are some issues with this on a couple levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by J Grooms
From a strategic standpoint Cyborg took 5-7 shots on Schaub, and Schaub was able to disengage and get away. Schaub shot on Cyborg 1 time and then retreated. So on the feet Schaub refused to engage. Cyborg then sat guard, and Schaub refused to engage there as well. In wrestling Schaub would have been DQ’d, as he would have in BJJ or submission grappling. In boxing or MMA Schaub would also have had points taken away and been heavily penalized.
The bigger issue to me is that Metamoris is supposed to be the marquee promotion that puts on the superfights that us, the fans, want to see. NO ONE wanted to see Schaub in there. He got in there because he’s a Gracie Academy student, and when people complained metamoris issued a press release promising that he wouldn’t do what he did.
Why the fuck would anyone sign up to do a SUBMISSION ONLY event with ZERO intention of submitting your opponent. He had the opportunity to takedown and he didn’t. he had the opportunity to and try and pass, and he didn’t. Sure you have to survive before you can win, but there is no way anyone can say Schaub wanted to do anything but “not lose”. He went out there to disengage for 20 minutes. He wasted everyone’s time. No one wanted to see that fucking match and they fucked us on it. Not only did they not care that he did it but they defended his behavior.
People say Cyborg sitting guard isn’t realistic? As compared to what? In jiu-jitsu it’s very realistic. You might as well say in wrestling you should protect your face so you don’t get punched. We all know how submission grappling matches go, and Schaub had 20 fucking minutes to try anything and he was working his jab the whole time. Embarrassment for himself and Metamoris.
The ironic part of all this is that if he just went in there and got tapped in 3 or 4 minutes people would have given him props for testing himself and trying. Instead he got this garbage.
If you look at a lot of MMA fighters that have good grappling you find that they get ranked quickly because they get good that fast. Schaub for all we know is at the black belt level. His mat time hasn't accumulated yet so he won't get black belt until he puts more time in. He could have beaten cyborg if he did what he should have done and blast through cyborg's guard by posturing and popping his hips foward and keeping pressure. Belt rank has no excuse to run. I faced a 225lb black belt last night and didn't back down. In stead of trying to play deffenseless I played offensive and ended up gettin caught naturally, but I tried I at least made some effort. If schaub got caught and submitted it would have been at least exciting and that's what fighters are there for to entertain us and he failed to do that and above all failed to draw mma fans to pure Jiu jitsu fights.
This is HI-larious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurzy
Also I tried to post the post fight interview between Schaub and Cyborg but it's *ahem* been removed.
Brendan was very rude to Cyborg and Ralek was very one sided in Schaubs favor while conducting the interview in my opinion.
For me it comes down to this, as a booker you need to ask if it's a good match for Metamoris and jiu-jitsu.
From the start the inclusion of Brendan Schaub was not.
Everybody complained the second it was announced, he was put in there to push the Gracie jiu-jitsu cause and nothing else.
I understand the name UFC fighter to draw in the MMA audience but if that we're true they could've gotten a real jiu-jitsu guy like Frank Mir, George Sotiropolous, Damian Maia, etc etc.
The support for Brendans "performance" from his coaches and the promoter of Metamoris after the match is what disturbs me the most.
They're trying to grow the sport and they serve this shit up?
Vinny.
I know man, I still chuckle every time I lay eyes on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason 'J-Faz' Farren
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Vinny v Werdum if u want draw a ufc crow ed. Big country v Frank mir works too.
I can understand everyone saying Schaub didn't wanna get caught etc and he was being careful but he signed up to grapple... At least give it a go, he had nothing to lose as he was expected to lose anyway! He just ended up embarrassing himself completely
Also on the other hand Cyborg has won multiple titles for grappling surely he could've done a better job control Schaub on the ground